Evidence of meeting #88 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.
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5:30 p.m.
Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
I just want to say that PSPC's role is to look at the value in the procurement process. Did we choose the right procurement process for the right time? Was the justification on file? Were the services provided?
In terms of the value for money, perhaps CBSA is the best place to do that.
I'll leave it at that.
5:30 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Okay.
Do you have the name of the person at CBSA who brought this proposal to you?
5:30 p.m.
Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Just for clarity, nobody brought a proposal to me. As you heard from officials in previous testimony—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
You had to sign off on it. How did it get to you?
5:30 p.m.
Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
It got to me via three levels of recommendations internally to PSPC as the ADM of procurement. I have no visibility at this time on who was on the other side of PSPC.
That being said, as part of the order production, I think the documents or task authorizations will come forward with the officials on the CBSA side.
5:35 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Okay.
Mr. Chair, just in the time we have left, I do wonder if it's the will of the committee to go back to the motion and see if we can get it wrapped up.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Then I will move to proceed back to the motion, then, and see if the committee....
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Yes, I can do that because I have the floor, and it's a dilatory motion, so I'll move that we proceed to that motion.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
Mr. Jowhari, we have a dilatory motion. It's to return to the motion from yesterday on the EV.
5:35 p.m.
Liberal
Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Can I just get clarification from the clerk if this is permitted. It's the exact same motion we defeated several minutes ago.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
I'll respond to that.
Chatting with the clerk, it is technically different, so it is allowed, Mr. Kusmierczyk.
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Liberal
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
Give me a second, Mr. Sousa.
Let me interrupt.
Mr. Sousa, I'm going to just be really blunt here. I think we get along great, but if you're going to continue interrupt when I'm saying something, I will stop recognizing you. Okay?
Thank you.
Mr. Genuis, go ahead.
5:35 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Just on the point of order—and hopefully this is helpful—the rule regarding adjournment and then resumption is that if something happens in-between, you are allowed to move that dilatory motion again.
It makes sense because Mr. Johns didn't want to resume consideration of this because of what was happening at the time. Now events have happened. We have heard from officials, so now we're in a different time. That principle applies: You can adjourn debate and resume an hour later. Something has to happen in-between, but it doesn't have to be 48 hours. As long as something happens in between, that's allowed.
I hope that's helpful.
The motion is obviously in order and would be ruled that way by any chair of any committee who knows the rules.
5:35 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
While we're continuing, I'm going to dismiss our witnesses for today. Thanks for joining us.
Getting back to the original question, the original motion earlier today was to move past...and not hear from these witnesses and resume.
Now we're just going to a straight resumption, so it is different. I am not making this up; I am receiving advice from our clerk on this.
To continue, we are now voting on the motion to resume to debate.
Witnesses, thank you again.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)
5:40 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
We are resuming debate.
Ms. Vignola, we finished with you earlier. You do have the floor.
Before we do continue, I see Mr. Sousa.
The clerk is sending Ms. Vignola's motion in both languages to everyone's P9 email account. We finished yesterday with the adoption of that.
At the very end, we did adopt Ms. Vignola's motion. We're just sending that out now.
Why don't we just suspend for about two minutes, until the email comes out?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
We have, unfortunately, just about five minutes left and then we run out of resources.
I'll recognize Ms. Vignola, please.
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Bloc
Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC
Thank you for passing yesterday's amendment, which enabled us to focus on the provisions concerning workers.
If we agree on the amendment, I suggest that we vote on the original motion as amended. We've already spent over four hours on this topic. I think that we've all thoroughly discussed our views on the motion.
I humbly and kindly suggest that we vote on the original motion as amended.
