You're the Treasury Board president. I would hope you know what the national debt is. You don't even know what the deficit for this year is. It is just appalling that you would come to this committee and not even know some of those very basic numbers, which you should know as the head of the Treasury Board.
I will inform you, Minister, that the national debt is $1.29 trillion. By the end of your hour here at committee, another $4.5 million will have been added to the debt. By the end of today, it will be about $110 million—without your spending any money. The interest alone is going to be that high.
When we continue to add more and more spending through the supplementary estimates, those numbers only go higher and higher. They don't get any lower, which means that the current and next generations of Canadians are going to be the ones bearing the brunt of this.
I'm just wondering at what point in time you are going to return to a fiscal anchor that is actually going to help sustain the economy. It used to be that you were not going to go over a $40-billion deficit. This year, a $78-billion deficit was the projection. That's why I asked you if you knew what the latest update on the deficit was, and you don't know it.
I'll ask you one more time. I've given you some time to find that number. What is the deficit going to be with this update?