There are areas in which we will always need outside expertise; we can think of engineering, architecture, construction. For large infrastructure projects, for instance, or decontamination of certain sites, we'll need outside expertise. That's for sure.
However, when it comes to management consultants, we've done a great deal to reduce the use of outside management consultants, and the objective is to build the in-house capacity. Where needed, in some instances.... The objective is to reduce it. The results speak for themselves when you look at what PSPC and Shared Services Canada have achieved.