Evidence of meeting #39 for Health in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was school.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kelly Stone  Director, Childhood and Adolescence, Centre for Health Promotion, Public Health Agency of Canada
Joan Katz  Director, Education Planning and Policy, Education Branch, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Heather McKay  Principal Investigator, Action Schools! BC; Professor, University of British Columbia; Director, Vancouver Coastal Health Research Institute
Farida Gabbani  Senior Director, Office of Health Promotion, Sport and Recreation Division, Nova Scotia Department of Health
Andrea Grantham  Executive Director, Canadian Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance
Marie-France Lamarche  Director, Chronic Disease Prevention, Community Programs Directorate, First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, Department of Health

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Director, Childhood and Adolescence, Centre for Health Promotion, Public Health Agency of Canada

Kelly Stone

We're missing Alberta and Quebec. There certainly have been discussions with Alberta, and we're hoping Alberta will choose to join. We'd certainly love to have Quebec as well, because they're doing some very interesting things.

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Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

I think Quebec has done some great things as far as that goes.

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Director, Childhood and Adolescence, Centre for Health Promotion, Public Health Agency of Canada

Kelly Stone

Indeed, and I'm sure other provinces and territories would benefit from what they're doing.

We have to have a good inventory of who's doing what and what one province or territory is doing that is applicable to another, and then begin to draw in the other actors--the non-governmental organizations, universities, and experts--who can inform the provinces and territories through the working group level.

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Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Heather, is your group--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

You're out of time. I've allowed you the liberty of an extra minute or so.

Ms. Kadis, your turn.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I do feel we have an obligation here, as a federal government, to play a leadership role in conjunction with the provinces and territories--without question.

This was touched on by the last speaker. Would it not be appropriate and necessary to encourage through these mechanisms a mandatory amount of time that students would participate in physical eduction?

I know when I was young, if not every day, it was almost every day. Sometimes it wasn't greeted so warmly, but it was very important, just as other activities, such as spelling, etc., were integral parts of the curriculum.

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Executive Director, Canadian Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance

Andrea Grantham

Yes. That would definitely be a direction we'd recommend to the federal government. We've seen support from international organizations for physical education. I think it would be important for the Government of Canada to make the same recognition and to support legislation towards mandatory physical education time taught by qualified instructors.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Further to that, I think the question is whether we have the jurisdictional ability to do that. Is that what you're looking at?

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A voice

Yes. To encourage, endorse, and support that.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Go ahead and answer.

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Senior Director, Office of Health Promotion, Sport and Recreation Division, Nova Scotia Department of Health

Farida Gabbani

There's not one strategy or one initiative or one group of people that is going to make the difference. The change is generational. It's something that is going to take a long time. When you ask people to change behaviours and lifestyles, it doesn't happen overnight.

We need a comprehensive group of people--all of us--federal government, provincial-territorial governments, communities, municipal government, families. We need everyone.

The Healthy Living Issue Group, which is a group of the Public Health Agency of Canada, is just getting going. We talked about our work plan today. We're trying to develop a network so a lot of the sharing can take place.

There is a best practices portal. Canadian chronic disease prevention has a portal for best practices. So there are things in place. It's a matter of integration: knowing who's doing what, where, when, and a place we can access it. That's part of the work plan of the Healthy Living Issue Group.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

Could I ask if there are any Quebec examples on the portal?

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Senior Director, Office of Health Promotion, Sport and Recreation Division, Nova Scotia Department of Health

Farida Gabbani

Any best practices? Well, Action Schools! BC is a best practice. There is Active Kids, Healthy Kids from Nova Scotia.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

From Quebec.

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Senior Director, Office of Health Promotion, Sport and Recreation Division, Nova Scotia Department of Health

Farida Gabbani

Oh, from Quebec? Yes. What's it called? Kino-Québec is a really wonderful best practice.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

And are there any examples from Alberta?

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Senior Director, Office of Health Promotion, Sport and Recreation Division, Nova Scotia Department of Health

Farida Gabbani

Alberta has Ever Active Schools. There are things going on. Saskatchewan has In Motion.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Heather McKay.

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Principal Investigator, Action Schools! BC; Professor, University of British Columbia; Director, Vancouver Coastal Health Research Institute

Dr. Heather McKay

I would like to address this also, because I do think that physical education is an important part of the solution, but it is no longer the whole solution. It is about changing the culture of schools. It's about healthy eating. It's about making the places where these children spend their time healthy places to be, and providing opportunities wherever possible. It's not a small problem. The solution is complex because the problem is complex, but I don't think that it should be in the too-hard basket. We do have models that can be entertained.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

If I may, you don't think there is a relationship between the childhood obesity increase and a lessening of physical education hours in the schools per se.

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Principal Investigator, Action Schools! BC; Professor, University of British Columbia; Director, Vancouver Coastal Health Research Institute

Dr. Heather McKay

Yes, it's a lessening of physical activity generally by children. The other part is that you may be surprised that there are no really good data in this country. So when I look back over the last decade, I'm looking at self-reported heights and weights. That's someone calling you up and asking “How tall are you? How much do you weigh?” In trying to address this problem, we also need to take a really hard look at how the federal government can look at resourcing a really comprehensive evaluation as we go forward, to see if any of these things are working. That might be a role.

This isn't just about a website where you can go and talk about what everyone is doing. There has to be a significant investment. These are expensive models, no matter where they're being introduced.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

What would be a recommendation? Could Statistics Canada participate in that avenue?

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Principal Investigator, Action Schools! BC; Professor, University of British Columbia; Director, Vancouver Coastal Health Research Institute

Dr. Heather McKay

I think CCHS is actually doing direct measures of health and weight, I believe for the first time. Before it was just a small sampling of Canadians, very small numbers in each age bracket. We just do not have good national data. And I think physical activity could also be added to that, a standard tool whereby we can capture that well across this country as we move forward.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Okay.

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Liberal

Susan Kadis Liberal Thornhill, ON

Do I have a little bit more time, Mr. Chair?