Evidence of meeting #75 for Health in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was system.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Marjorie MacDonald  President, Public Health Association of BC
Danyaal Raza  Board Member, Canadian Doctors for Medicare

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Good afternoon everybody and welcome back. Nice to see everybody back from the break. We call it a break but we come back more tired than when we were here during session. It's so busy during break, isn't it?

I would like very much to welcome our guests today. We're studying technological innovation. It's a very important study. We have with us from the Canadian Doctors for Medicare, Dr. Danyaal Raza, board member; and from the Public Health Association of BC, Dr. Marjorie MacDonald, president.

Dr. MacDonald, I understand you have a PowerPoint.

I'm going to begin with you today. You have 10 minutes to make a presentation.

February 26th, 2013 / 3:30 p.m.

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald President, Public Health Association of BC

Thank you very much. I really appreciate the opportunity to present to this committee today.

My name is Marjorie MacDonald and I'm representing the Public Health Association of British Columbia. I would like to acknowledge my colleague and vice-president, Dr. John Millar, who did much of the background work for this presentation. He was not able to come today to do this presentation, so I am doing it in his place. I hope I can do as good a job as he might.

The Public Health Association of BC is very concerned that health care financing in this country is becoming unsustainable because health care expenditures may begin to be outstripping government revenues. At the current rates of increase, it's predicted that expenditures will increase from about 40% of provincial spending currently to about 80% in the year 2030. So something does need to be done to address this issue now.

With respect to health care sustainability, there are three interrelated burning platforms that I want to speak about. These are all interconnected, and of course, they then connect to the solutions that I want to talk about as well.

The first of these is that the general health of the population is decreasing, and at the same time there are rising inequities in health status for some population groups in the country. The prevalence of chronic conditions has increased considerably over the past decade. The burden of most of these is preventable. For example, there's been an increase in the prevalence of heart disease by about 80%, some cancers by about 50%, diabetes by about 78%. Perhaps more worrisome is the fact that the prevalence of chronic diseases among the disadvantaged and marginalized segments of the population is much higher, so that is something that we do need to worry about. With the increasing prevalence of chronic disease, that can lead to decreased productivity of the labour force and a reduction in economic competitiveness.

The second thing is poor patient experience and quality of care. We've been hearing a lot that people have been complaining that their experience in the system has deteriorated and the quality of the care they are getting is not what it used to be. Most of the care for chronic conditions in this country is provided through a primary care system that was developed a long time ago to address the primarily acute conditions that were prevalent at that time, before the shifting transition to more chronic diseases in the population. Many arguments have been made that this really is the wrong business model.

In Canada our primary care system falls below a standard of care that's been achieved in high-performing systems in other locations, and leads to unnecessary hospitalization and expenditures. Related to that we know there's lack of access and attachment to a primary care provider for many people in the country. There are complaints about lack of coordination and continuity of care in the system. Information flows are impaired. Patients need to return to their physicians more than once to get prescriptions refilled, to get their lab test results. There is the lack of interoperable electronic health records, so information is not accessible from one segment of the system to another. People have short office visits with one problem per visit. That doesn't work when there's significant co-morbidity and very complex problems. In addition, it makes it difficult to deliver evidence-based prevention and care with this kind of system. It also means there's limited accountability back to the community and to patients, and limited patient engagement in governance of this system.

The third thing is the increasing cost of health care. I'm sure this committee has heard about that many times.

Government revenues are declining overall. There's the belief that small government is better government, that lowering taxes is a good thing, and that the industry needs to be deregulated. There is concern in the system about waste, errors, and inefficiencies. We know that the population is aging and that with an aging population the prevalence of chronic diseases is increased. With that, there's an increased burden of chronic diseases, as I've already mentioned, and much of that burden is preventable.

With these three interrelated problems, the solution is also a triple aim solution: to improve population health and reduce inequities, to improve patient care, and to reduce costs.

With respect to improving population health, a very important solution is to increase the investment in prevention, both primary prevention and secondary prevention. We have evidence now emerging that prevention can be very effective in reducing costs in the longer term. It will improve population health and thereby increase productivity.

To do this, however, we will need to address the social determinants of health. We need to address things like poverty and inequities, food security and food safety, homelessness, and early childhood development. That's a very complex task and raises many challenges.

I am going to go back and talk for a minute very briefly about some of the evidence that prevention is effective. Recent economic analyses have shown that a prevention strategy that's based on enabling healthier behaviour and creating safer and supportive environments and living conditions can slow the growth and the prevalence of disease and injuries and alleviate the demand on a limited primary care capacity.

For example, one study has shown for every 10% increase in public health spending, deaths from cardiovascular disease declined by 3.2%. This represented an increase in spending of only $312,000 U.S. at the local health agency level. To achieve the same reduction in cardiovascular disease deaths through clinical care interventions, we would have to invest $5.5 million. That's 27 times greater than public health spending, so there is a good return on investment for prevention strategies.

I don't think I'm going to talk about the next slide, because I might go over my 10 minutes if I do, but essentially it's a graph to demonstrate that enhancing prevention can, not initially but over the long term, reduce costs.

To address the second aim, it is important to develop and transform the primary care system in this country to a community-based primary health care system. To do this, there are six basic requirements that are based on the evidence.

We need to provide services within a defined geographic population so that everyone in the area has access to services. We need to provide a comprehensive range of services beyond what's provided now in our primary care system. We need to be able to address the social determinants of health; clinical prevention; the complex care co-morbidities; and end-of-life care.

What that requires, then, is that we do a much better job of bringing together a network of professionals: general practitioners, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, public health professionals, mental health and addictions professionals, and social agencies. We don't see very many primary care organizations in the country now that are able to offer that network of services and professionals.

We need alternative funding arrangements to provide incentives to enhance prevention, to encourage collaboration, and to use data and data systems that can inform care. A blended funding model is often suggested as the strategy to go forward.

Also, we need electronic data systems. These are essential to be able to achieve the benefits and efficiencies and to be able to access individual patient data as well as population health information in order to inform care.

We also need a shared governance structure that allows people in the community a say in what they need and a say in how their services and care are provided.

I'll turn now to possible government responses.

I've just noticed an error in my presentation. I meant to indicate that small increases in taxation have some public support, not strong public support.

A recent report by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives in B.C. illustrated that small increases in taxation would produce a minimal burden on individuals and yet provide a significant revenue stream that could be used for health and social services.

Another would be healthy public policies. These are policies that go beyond the health care system and governance of the health care system to include a whole-of-government approach. The purview of some of these strategies and policies are outside the health care system at large.

For example, one strategy would be an obesity reduction plan. We need strong leadership at the federal level to promote government action to reduce calorie consumption. We could do such things as change agricultural policies, have point-of-consumption notices of caloric content in food. We could tax sugar sweetened beverages, ban marketing of junk food and beverages to children, and implement a salt reduction strategy. All of these things could lead to a reduction in the burden of chronic diseases.

Early childhood development and care, poverty reduction strategies, all of those things would be very important.

I don't have time to go any further into all of those, but more details are available on request in our larger report prepared by Dr. Millar. It is available if anyone is interested.

In all of these strategies, what is very important is measuring, monitoring, and recording. What gets measured gets done. So we need to develop common metrics, a coordinated pan-Canadian strategy that would develop indicators and databases to measure progress on these strategies. This type of thing is already the responsibility of CIHI, the Canadian Institute for Health Information, so infrastructure's already available and in place to begin this.

I'll just leave it there. I'll take any questions.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you very much, Dr. MacDonald.

We will now go to Dr. Raza from the Canadian Doctors for Medicare, please.

3:45 p.m.

Dr. Danyaal Raza Board Member, Canadian Doctors for Medicare

Thank you and good afternoon.

My name is Dr. Danyaal Raza and I'm a family doctor here in Ottawa. I'm here today on behalf of Canadian Doctors for Medicare. We are a physician-led organization supported by thousands of Canadians, and we advocate for the improvement of our public health care system.

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before this committee and for allowing us to contribute to your study on health and innovation.

As a physician, I see the effect that innovation has on a personal level in my practice and with my patients. Today I'd like to start with a focus on the human side of innovation and the critical role it plays in making the best use of the technology that we have. I'll then discuss why it's an area where Canada has been falling behind despite our investments in research and technology. I'll end by encouraging the committee of the important role the federal government can play in encouraging health care innovation through the renewal of our health accord in 2014.

Canadians are fortunate to have access to some of the most cutting-edge technology available, but its utility in and of itself is limited. Its potential to improve the health of Canadians is only realized if the professionals using it are finding smart ways to put it to best use for patients.

An e-consultation project here in the Ottawa region is one such example. It's having a dramatic impact on the way patients experience their health care and on their health itself. Before this project began, family physicians seeking specialist input for a complex health issue typically sent a paper referral via fax to the consultant. This e-consultation project is bringing this process into the 21st century. Now an Ottawa primary care physician like myself has the option to do something entirely differently. To a secure online portal, they send the specialist details of their patient's health history along with the questions around the unresolved health issue. Rather than waiting the average three and a half months for a patient to see the specialist, the project has reduced turnaround times of the consultation to less than one week.

In addition to drastically reduced wait times, the e-consult project has resulted in the elimination of 43% of traditional paper referrals that would have been done otherwise by in-person specialist visits. For referrals that were still needed, family doctors were better able to prepare specialists through suggested lab tests and other diagnostic studies.

The project improves access to care, and both primary care physicians and their specialist counterparts feel that they're better able to determine what's best for their patients, and they feel that they're working together efficiently. Clearly this is the kind of innovation that both reduces wait times and saves money, but it also requires that e-consultation now be included in payment models for physicians. It's also a question of how we can spread this practice to other provinces and cities, not just Ottawa.

There are also other innovations that focus on coordination and interdisciplinary collaboration to provide more efficient high quality care for Canadians. Many of you also know about the success of the Alberta Bone and Joint Health Institute, where innovative approaches to hip and knee surgeries resulted in drastically reduced wait times. They decreased from 82 weeks to just 11 weeks. How? Through methods that included centralized intake of patients, assessment diagnosis, non-surgical treatment in single purpose clinics, and the use of multidisciplinary teams.

For example, if a patient needs to improve strength to be a candidate for surgery, a physiotherapist works with them to create a pre-operative strengthening program. Dieticians work with patients who need to make weight or nutritional improvements. Most importantly, there was a willingness to try something new. It took a little bit of investment but the payoffs were huge.

A virtual ward project in Toronto is another innovation that requires changing the way that we work. Patients who are at high risk for being readmitted to a hospital are provided with an around the clock care environment at home similar to that found in hospital. As virtually admitted patients to a hospital, they're able to call their care team with concerns until being transitioned to their regular doctor. It has helped keep patients physically out of hospital, has connected them to community care, and has prevented them from falling between the cracks.

As you can see, innovation isn't just about the newest developments in technology. Often it's about finding better ways to work together and to use the tools and technology already at our disposal. It's fundamentally about changing the way we approach health care, moving towards integration, coordination, and collaboration.

How do we do this, and what can the federal government do to improve the use of innovations in Canada?

Well, to move forward, we also have to look at what we've done so far. The 2004 health accord recognized that investments in science, technology, and research were necessary to support innovation. The federal government made some fruitful investments in this area. But the accord also recognized the importance of new models of care, including prevention and chronic disease management, and it’s in this area of innovation where Canada has been falling behind.

The Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology noted the lack of progress in its report “Time for Transformative Change: A Review of the 2004 Health Accord”.

The committee chair, Senator Ogilvie, stated that the system is “replete with silos, with no overall accountability, and that true innovation is rarely recognized and implemented within the system”. He stated:

It is critical that the additional funding added to the health accord…be largely directed to developing and implementing innovative models that actually deliver a modern whole-life health care opportunity to Canadians.

The committee recommended a number of ways to address this shortcoming, including both federal funding and federally led networks to identify and scale up innovations and best practice models in health care delivery.

Canadian Doctors for Medicare has repeatedly called on the federal government to get more involved in the sharing of health care innovations. Canadians are currently without any signals from the federal government that there will be another health accord despite the need for united action on these priorities. We'd like to ask this committee to support a 2014 health accord in any of its recommendations on this subject, and to make sure that innovations are shared and that all provinces are benefiting from them.

One way to do this is to reverse the shift to a per capita tied-to-growth funding model, where less populous provinces may not have the funds to keep up with technological innovation. We also propose that Canada develop an umbrella for innovation and echo the Senate’s call for federal funding and coordination to do so. The creation of a body that looks at innovation from a national perspective instead of piecemeal by province is critical to this effort.

The Health Council of Canada is currently tracking some of the best practices in the country through its innovation portal. With a broader mandate that includes funding and scaling up of those best practices and innovations, it could be part of that solution.

We also suggest a national body tasked with continuously reviewing evidence on new medications, diagnostic tests, and other interventions. By issuing guidance to health care providers on these matters, free of industry bias from pharmaceutical companies and medical device manufacturers, similar to what the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence does in the U.K., the quality of Canadian health care would improve and cost savings would be achieved. This is already happening on a smaller scale through the therapeutics initiative in British Columbia. When it comes to innovation, the federal government must be involved in setting standards and applying the best of our knowledge throughout the country.

Although some provinces have shared their innovations, Canadians believe it is up to the federal government to make sure that innovative care is available to all, not just some, and we need a 2014 health accord that makes innovation a funded priority for all Canadians. We urge this committee to consider a strong federal role in innovation that forges partnerships with the provinces to deliver the best in health care for all Canadians.

Thank you for your time.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you.

We'll now go to Ms. Davies for the first seven-minute round.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Libby Davies NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much, Chairperson, and thank you to both witnesses for being here today.

You've given us an excellent overview of the bigger picture of what we're facing in this study on innovation. We've had some terrific examples of innovation that have taken place, but I think both of your presentations today have highlighted the need for us to get beyond the pilot project syndrome and to approach this in a much more national, pan-Canadian way.

In fact, Dr. Raza, I know one of your colleagues. Dr. Ryan Meili from Saskatchewan, wrote a terrific book about this. One of the things that I'd like to use from his book is he talks about the need to scale up at a national level all of this amazing work that goes on locally but often in a very isolated way.

I have a couple of questions.

First of all, on the accords, this is something that we in the NDP have been very interested in, because we've been very disappointed that there hasn't been a willingness from the federal government to show that they're committed to following through on the accords or what will happen when they run out in 2014. I agree with you that we do need to have a new set of health accords, and we do need to have funds that are targeted to improvements in the system. Even just following through on the commitments that were made would be a huge step, but we need to be doing much more than that.

When you talk about a new body to oversee innovation, do you also see that there could be some kind of fund targeted to that, that would be the carrot in terms of encouraging provinces to get on board?

The other question I have is, Dr. MacDonald, in the brief from the Public Health Association of B.C., I'm very impressed with how you focused on what appears to be the simple issue of transforming primary care, the six steps that you outline, and yet it appears so difficult to do it. We know what needs to be done, but it's not happening. In fact, I would say that in Ontario there's a much better system of community health centres than there is in B.C. In B.C. it's very, very patchy. I wonder what suggestion you have that could bring the federal government into that in terms of transforming primary care along the lines that you suggest and making it that kind of multidisciplinary approach that includes prevention, health promotion, focusing on populations that are at risk, and so on.

How can the federal government zero in on the primary care? If each of you would like to address those questions, I'd appreciate it.

3:55 p.m.

Board Member, Canadian Doctors for Medicare

Dr. Danyaal Raza

Thank you for the question, Ms. Davies.

As I mentioned during my remarks, we already have some of the infrastructure to do what we're suggesting. The Health Council of Canada has already set up this innovation portal. They're already becoming a repository for best practices. We need to empower them more. We need to provide funding for provinces that are interested in benefiting from the innovations happening in other parts of the country.

We do this on two levels. One is this health services level, but one of the other bodies I mentioned was something equivalent to NICE, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, which is the U.K. body, in Canada. This is something B.C. has done with the therapeutics initiative. It's a body that assesses the effectiveness of new pharmaceuticals before they become funded by the province's formulary for publicly funded drug plans. After it was started, costs in that drug plan were reduced by 8%. This is with just one province doing this by itself. This is not something that's happening across the country. In fact, this could be part of a national pharmacare strategy as well, which is also something that would be quite innovative for the country.

If I could take a step back and talk about how we see the 2014 health accord collectively, we see this innovation piece as one portion of it, but we think a renewed health accord also has to have a few other important pieces. One I mentioned is getting away from the per capita funding that was announced a little over a year ago, because it penalizes small less populous provinces. If New Brunswick wants to buy an MRI machine, that's quite expensive for that province to do because of its size, and it won't have the additional funding to provide other health services because of the per capita funding.

We'd also like to see the federal government enforce the Canada Health Act. Every day we hear about more and more clinics that are charging illegal user fees. Helios Wellness Clinic in Calgary has been in the news. There's an inquiry regarding patients paying $10,000 membership fees to be members of this clinic and then jumping the line for colon cancer screening in a public system. The Cambie clinic in Vancouver is a private for-profit orthopedic centre, and it's been found to be illegally billing patients for publicly insured services. These are all violations of the Canada Health Act. We need to add some accountability to a health accord and make funding conditional on enforcing the Canada Health Act.

We also need to develop a shared set of priorities through the 2014 health accord. Writing cheques isn't enough; we need some national unity on this issue.

4 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

It's a difficult question because of the fact that in Canada, health care is a provincial responsibility, so transforming the primary health care system is particularly difficult for that reason, and the role of the federal government then is somewhat difficult. As does my colleague here, I think the health accord itself could be a useful strategy. Tying primary care reform to the health transfers may be a strategy. As far as coming together with the provinces and the federal and territorial governments to come to some unity on this goes, I'm not really sure I necessarily have the answer because of the way our federal-provincial system is structured. That is going to be a significant barrier. It will require collaboration and lots of discussion bringing together various interest groups, like my colleague's group, the Canadian Medical Association, the Canadian Nurses Association, the Public Health Association, and a variety of groups to have some discussions about how we might move this forward.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you, Dr. MacDonald.

We'll go to Dr. Carrie now.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I would like to thank the witnesses for their presentations today.

I want to delve a little deeper. I don't think you had enough time to explain everything that you wanted to put into this study on technological innovation.

Dr. Raza, would you be able to explain for the committee how much your organization spends per year on technological innovation?

4 p.m.

Board Member, Canadian Doctors for Medicare

Dr. Danyaal Raza

Our organization is an advocacy organization. We're made up of a volunteer board of directors, and we have a very small staff. I think we have one and a half staff. We all practise medicine in our own settings, so we don't spend any money as an organization on technological innovation directly.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

What unique innovative technologies has your organization developed?

4 p.m.

Board Member, Canadian Doctors for Medicare

Dr. Danyaal Raza

We're here in front of the committee because we're an organization that represents physicians across the country who are interested in improving public health care. We work in different settings that are employing these innovations. We're acting as a listening board for colleagues across the country to talk about these innovations and to present them to a number of audiences, including the committee today. That's our role in promoting them.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Thank you very much for that.

Dr. MacDonald, could you let the committee know how much your organization spends every year on technological innovation?

4 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

Like Dr. Raza, we are an advocacy organization as well. It's a volunteer organization with a volunteer board. We have a very small budget. We do not spend any money on technological innovation.

Our role is to promote and protect the health of the public, so we make recommendations around what we as an organization believe will make a difference in doing that. I can't say we have spent any money on that or have a budget to do that.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Has your organization come up with any unique technological innovations that you could share with the committee today?

4 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

That's not our role. We don't do that. We do not develop technologies.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Okay, but your members, do they utilize these technologies?

4 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

Yes. Our members are primarily public health practitioners and leaders, and so in their roles as health care providers they may in fact utilize technologies.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Dr. Raza brought up the e-consultation that I guess some of his colleagues are using. We've heard from a number of witnesses who are doing things like telehealth, things along those lines. Do you and your members benefit or do they utilize some of these technologies like telehealth or anything along those lines?

4:05 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

Some of them may well do that. We would certainly be supportive of those kinds of technologies. We believe it is very important to develop electronic health records and other electronic data systems that can be used to support practitioners in their work. Other than that, no.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

You mentioned the challenges that the health care system has, the jurisdictional issues with the provinces being the ones responsible for the delivery of health care. I know they're working through the federation to try to come up with some agreements on where they'd like to go with it. What the federal government does, a lot of times, we do fund research. We've heard from partners and people who have come forward, witnesses, about their partnerships with the federal government research agencies.

I was wondering, with your organization, do you benefit from any government funding? Do you work with CIHR?

4:05 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

Yes. Many of our members do as individual members. I myself am a professor at the University of Victoria and I hold a CIHR-funded research chair, so I am funded there in my role at the university.

The Public Health Association has received money from the Public Health Agency of Canada around workforce development and developing the competencies of public health professionals. We have benefited from funding in that regard.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Have they funded you or your members for any type of technological innovation specifically, or just what you said previously?

4:05 p.m.

President, Public Health Association of BC

Dr. Marjorie MacDonald

I can't speak to that. We don't track what all of our individual members may be funded for, so I'm sorry, I can't answer that.