Before I let you answer, Ms. Elmslie, I'd like to give one suggestion to each of you, which is that within your research, start involving those who are in recovery, because with all due respect, we think differently. If you're dealing with someone in recovery and you have someone who has gone through recovery, you can't bluff them. I would suggest that.
Thank you very much.
Over to you, Ms. Elmslie, on stigma.