—against universal pharmacare. That's something we've had to manage.
They're not just lobbying the government. I will tell you that they're lobbying chambers of commerce. I've been shown documents. The Canadian Chamber of Commerce, in one of their position statements, contends that there'll be fewer new drugs, and it will jeopardize the lives of Canadians. It also says that universal pharmacare will add crippling payroll taxes and inhibit small business.