I'll be very quick on this.
We met last week with about 40 to 50 service providers, dental, vision, and rheumatology. What we were doing, sir, is asking questions about providing service to first nations under the non-insured health benefits program right now and what the problems are, and every one of them was experiencing the same thing. They were saying that they want to treat the issues and they want to deliver solutions, but they can't because there are constraints and policy guidelines that are based on the Indian Act system. That is very much at the root of the problem, because this is a race-based program.
What we're finding is that the situation and the impacts are exacerbated by racism at the institutional level within the funded program of non-insured health benefits. The joint review right now is critical. I think the committee should take a very close look at the outcomes there and deal with racism at the source.