Yes, absolutely. The $5 billion in waste among private plans is a number by a pharmacy benefits manager, Express Scripts Canada. On administration costs, you mentioned $9 billion. Keep in mind that you have $5 billion in waste and you have $1.4 billion in tax subsidies, so basically this is public money spent for private regimes. You have the administration cost differences, $1.6 billion, and you have another 30% for the private coverage of public employees. If you do the math, we're beyond $9 billion.
On October 19th, 2017. See this statement in context.