Evidence of meeting #9 for Health in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was drugs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

W. Neil Palmer  President and Principal Consultant, PDCI Market Access
William Dempster  Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs
Graham Sher  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Blood Services

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Okay.

Then $10.1 billion would be by insurance companies.

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That's correct.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

Also, $10.4 billion would be for provincial drug plans.

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That's right.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

As well, there's $600 million for the feds. What's that?

5:20 p.m.

President and Principal Consultant, PDCI Market Access

W. Neil Palmer

That would be the non-insured health benefits plan, Department of National Defence, Veterans Affairs, Correctional Services, Immigration and Refugees and Citizenship Canada—

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

Most of it's NIHB.

5:20 p.m.

President and Principal Consultant, PDCI Market Access

W. Neil Palmer

—and RCMP. NIHB, the non-insured health benefits plan, is a huge one.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

Does the $6 billion include deductibles, too?

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That's right. That would actually capture deductibles that people have to pay before their insurance kicks in.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

So that's not only people who pay from their own pocket, who don't have the coverage.

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That's right. That accounts for 20%—

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

It's a combination of both? Right?

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That is correct.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Darshan Singh Kang Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB

Some people who don't have the coverage and...

5:20 p.m.

President and Principal Consultant, PDCI Market Access

W. Neil Palmer

The other pocket includes deductibles and copays.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

I want to thank all of you for helping us with this, because it is complicated. I was looking at this chart. I used to be in the car business. We had a factory, and then there was me, the dealer, and then there was the customer. We had three boxes. You've got nine boxes to deal with on your page and it's hard to know why or how they all fit together, but you're helping us.

5:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, 3Sixty Public Affairs

William Dempster

That's as simple as I can make it, I'm sorry to say. It is complicated.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bill Casey

It is complicated, but you're helping us and we appreciate it very much.

Thanks very much for your contribution.

The meeting is adjourned.