Evidence of meeting #14 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was spots.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Patricia Houston  Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto
Amber McPherson  Emergency Medicine Physician, As an Individual
Marie Dagenais  Executive Director and Registrar, National Dental Examining Board of Canada
Meredith Irwin  Paediatrician-in-Chief, Department of Paediatrics, The Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids), Representative, Pediatric Chairs of Canada

11:20 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

The trainee does not pay the University of Toronto any dollars. The sponsor pays us $100,000. They also provide the salary and the cost of living for accommodations for the trainee.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So, the sponsor would be the Saudi Arabian government.

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

It's either the government or.... There are individual institutions in Saudi Arabia and the other five Middle Eastern countries that send these funded trainees.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Do you have any idea of how much the total amount is?

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

Do you mean the total amount that comes into the University of Toronto? Well, our usual number is between 450 and 500 trainees per year, so if you do the math, that's between $45 million and $50 million.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Wow.

Dre Patricia Houston

It is a significant amount of money that provides funding for our education and research programs.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So, it's $100,000 per student—

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

That's per year.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

What were those numbers again?

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

As I told you, last year we had 459. We usually have between 450 and 500 of these learners.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Does the money that the University of Toronto collects from foreign-funded visa trainees go into the faculty's general revenue, yes or no?

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay.

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

I'm happy to expand on that.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Yes.

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

The money first comes into the postgraduate medical education office.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

How much? What percentage?

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

All of the money initially comes into the postgraduate medical education office. We then determine how much money is needed to support the education programs, both centrally in the postgraduate medical education office and centrally across the medical education program.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So, those—

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

Then we distribute the money to the departments. Subsequent to that, we send whatever money is still remaining to the dean's office for use to support other education and research activities.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So, it goes into general revenue first, and then you decide where it's going to go after that.

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

It comes to the postgraduate medical education office first.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

That is considered general revenue.

11:25 a.m.

Vice Dean, Medical Education, Temerty Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

Dr. Patricia Houston

It is for the postgraduate medical education office.