Evidence of meeting #20 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was seconds.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Marjorie Michel  Minister of Health
Curtis-Micallef  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Hamzawi  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Voisin  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
Weber  Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health
Crowcroft  Acting Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
Hébert  President, Canadian Institutes for Health Research
Barton  Director General, Centre for Biosecurity, Regional Operations and Emergency Management Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Higgs  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Health
Aung-Thin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Yes, absolutely.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Sun Life is a private company that you’ve hired to administer the Canadian dental care program. On October 17, the rules for the reimbursement of laboratory fees were changed without notice. That is forcing patients to pay higher amounts.

Are you aware of that?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

I know that there are sometimes patients who raise several issues that still exist in the dental care system, but I’m not really aware of the changes that require patients to pay more for laboratory fees.

I have to say I do a lot of fieldwork and visit many dental clinics, and it hasn’t been brought up even once.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay.

I invite you to speak with the Association des chirurgiens dentistes du Québec, because—

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

I have spoken with the Association des chirurgiens dentistes du Québec.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

—or talk to your constituency office, because I’ve received dozens of letters about it in recent weeks.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Maybe they should be sent to us as well. I invite you to get in touch with my office.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I'd be delighted to.

Are you aware at Health Canada that nearly 200,000 people were approved as being eligible for the Canadian dental care plan, but ultimately received a letter saying they were not eligible for the plan?

4:15 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

Excuse me, but are you asking me whether there are people whose eligibility has been denied?

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Yes, 200,000 people.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

I don't know the circumstances of those people, but if they don’t meet the criteria, they’ll be denied. We can discuss it to see whether there’s an amount—

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

It’s the number I’m not sure about.

In any case, you know that eligibility for the Canadian dental care plan is based on income.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Yes.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Some people were probably not eligible, so their application was rejected by the—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I’ll explain the situation that’s been reported to us.

People were pre-approved normally by the Canadian dental care plan and they started receiving treatments. Finally, Health Canada sent them rejection letters stating that they had mistakenly been deemed eligible, but that, ultimately, their eligibility was being denied.

Do you understand this situation?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Absolutely.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay.

I will ask you the following question: Why is the government doing this? We’re talking about nearly 200,000 people who have apparently received these rejection letters.

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

Even if these people received treatments, the minute the government realizes that they shouldn’t have access to this free care, they must be denied access.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay.

Do you find it logical that someone starts receiving dental care, but the government ultimately admits its mistake and tells them to stop treatment?

People have had all their teeth pulled, but it's no big deal that they won't be able to get them replaced; they can just continue to live like that. Is that logical to you?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

It’s very simple: as you know, dental care is provided based on income. The person had probably exceeded the income limit to be eligible for dental care.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I’m not talking about income, Minister. I'm talking to you about people who’ve been pre-approved by your plan—

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

That's exactly the case.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

—and who were ultimately refused. That is affecting their quality of life right now, because they no longer have the means to pay for the care and continue their treatment.

You don’t understand that. Is that what you’re saying?

The Hon. Marjorie Michel Liberal Marjorie Michel

You’re talking about people who were approved and then later were not approved. I don’t understand.

4:15 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

If there are changes to the programs, notices are provided.