Evidence of meeting #29 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was infoway.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Batchvarov  Vice-President, Provider Solutions, Telus Health
Green  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway
Voisin  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
Jones  Director, Digital Health and Health System Division, Department of Health
Toller  Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

The goal is to have Canada‑wide standards. The industry doesn't want to be held to provincial standards. It wants a set of Canada‑wide and international standards.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Who makes decisions for taxpayers, the industry or the governments?

6:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health

Jocelyne Voisin

The federal government isn't developing the standards. Experts are developing them.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

So why is the federal government implementing them?

6:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health

Jocelyne Voisin

We aren't implementing them.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Are you coordinating them?

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

We're relying on Canada Health Infoway and the Canadian Institute for Health Information. These organizations are responsible for developing the standards.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. The time is up.

I'm going to move to Mr. Strauss for five minutes.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Chair, would it be possible to obtain a written response?

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, we will request them from the department. They'll come to the clerk, and you'll get them.

Thank you.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Ms. Voisin, you mentioned, in responding to one of my colleagues, that an analysis was done, uptake was found not to be good enough and a stewardship decision was made. May we see the analysis? Can it be tabled with the committee?

6:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health

Jocelyne Voisin

Yes, I already offered to table the analysis.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Fantastic. Thank you.

You talked about pivoting. We have this PrescribeIT system. The government is now pivoting to an open standards system. How much money is going into the open standards system?

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

We will be providing $50 million to Infoway to carry out its core mandate, which is to drive adoption of interoperable digital tools and enable the sharing of data.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

I take it that your belief is that Infoway did such a bang-up job with the last $300 million that we should give it another $50 million to execute this pivot on behalf of taxpayers.

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

They're very different programs.

6:45 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health

Jocelyne Voisin

We want to make it very clear that the main agenda of Canada Health Infoway is the connected care agenda and developing those interoperability standards. The PrescribeIT program was, as she noted, a very different program, which started in 2016.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Is there no suspicion on your part that Canada Health Infoway is totally not fit for service? It blew $300 million. Maybe somebody else should be in charge of this.

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

Part of the assessment we'll share with you will demonstrate that there is no other player in Canada that is suitable to play this role. It has done a lot of great things over the years, in addition to its work on prescribing.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

What has it done?

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

It is responsible for getting all of our providers using electronic medical records—the 95% use that is now happening today. It is responsible for all the virtual care work—

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

I'm going to cut you off there, Madam. I don't think that's true.

6:45 p.m.

Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

Elizabeth Toller

It is true. Their original goal was to enable the use of digital tools, and we have succeeded, with 95%—

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Miss, my hospital was using electronic medical records before Canada Health Infoway ever suggested it.