Evidence of meeting #29 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was infoway.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Batchvarov  Vice-President, Provider Solutions, Telus Health
Green  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway
Voisin  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
Jones  Director, Digital Health and Health System Division, Department of Health
Toller  Director General, Health Care Strategies Directorate, Department of Health

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay.

How many applicants initially applied to develop and run PrescribeIT?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The initial process we used for selection was approved by the board of directors and included—

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

How many applicants were there?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

Again, I don't know the exact number of applicants, but this is information we could provide after the meeting if the committee decides we should do so.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Do you know if Telus Health had the lowest bid?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The criteria we used included a quality matrix, the ability to deliver the program and many other things, other than financial criteria.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay.

On what specific date did the Canada Health Infoway board vote to terminate PrescribeIT?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The board of directors considered all the different pathways for sustainability and made the decision to opt for the open standards approach in the latter part of 2025.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

On what specific date did the Canada Health Infoway board vote to terminate PrescribeIT? Was it years in advance—2023?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

I believe it was on November 17.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Was that 2024?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

It was 2025.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay.

Did the federal government or Health Canada recommend the termination of PrescribeIT to the Canada Health Infoway board, yes or no?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The pathway forward for PrescribeIT was decided by the board of directors, which is, as you heard in my opening remarks, populated by deputy minister appointments from across the country. The—

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

I guess the question is, did the federal government or Health Canada—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Excuse me, Mr. Mazier.

For those of us who want to hear, it would be nice if you could let the witness round out their sentence, as opposed to cutting them off in mid-sentence. I would like to hear what he's trying to say, as long as he doesn't go on too much.

Go ahead.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

The question asked for a yes-or-no answer, Chair and Mr. Green.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The decision—

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Did the federal government or Health Canada recommend the termination of PrescribeIT to the Canada Health Infoway board, yes or no?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

The decision was made by the Canada Health Infoway board.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. Now we've really run over time. It's a minute over time, I'm so sorry to say, guys. It's my fault, but—

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

You still haven't answered the question.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

—I wasn't paying attention.

Now I'll go to Ms. Jaczek for the Liberals, for six minutes.

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Green, I'd like to go back to the $250 million—the federal investment. Telus received some $90 million.

Of the remaining $160 million, did you say in a previous response that it went to other EMR providers? Where did the remaining funding end up?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Health Infoway

Michael Green

With the program, there were multiple steps taken to implement the prescribing service: the design of the service itself, operation, integration with provincial assets, integration with health IT systems that are used across the country and connectivity with pharmacies. It's a very complex process.

We also had to ensure that the system is very secure, that it meets very stringent privacy and security standards, and that it's up and available.

To answer your question, there were multiple places where the funding was utilized, including the annual operation of the system. Again, it is possible to provide some of the information. There's not an easy answer to this question. I would also like to say that at every step we had a regular review of our expenditures and of the progress of the system by the board of directors, and we reported through that mechanism as well, at least on a quarterly basis.