Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Like Mr. Hill, I have comment rather than a question for our witness.
In one of his earlier interventions, Mr. Godin said there's no evidence that there's fraud, or there's very little evidence of fraud. I actually thought what I got out of the witnesses who'd been before the committee, and particularly the Chief Electoral Officer and the Commissioner of Elections, was that there really is no way of collecting evidence of voter fraud in Canada due to the way the law is set up now. It was for that reason that I specifically asked the Commissioner of Elections how many prosecutions for fraud we've had in the past number of elections since the 1980s, and we've learned there were half a dozen. That suggests to me that it stretches the balance of plausibility that with 300-odd ridings and five elections in a row, there would only be five cases of voter fraud out there. So I suggest that there is some evidence that there's more fraud than we're able to capture.
It seems to me that is well illustrated by the fact that in the riding of Trinity—Spadina, James DiFiore was able to vote three times--he says once for each party, so at least he cancelled himself out. At any rate, his point was how very easy it is, and the Toronto Star ran a major feature on this, and so on. So it seems to me that it is certainly a problem that's out there and that justifies taking some actions.
The other thing I want to mention is this. We do really want to make sure that people get the chance to vote, including the homeless, including students, including people who, for any reason, don't readily have access to ID. The problem, I think, is that we have to make sure we're designing systems that allow people, everybody who can, to vote, but nobody to vote more than once. I'm not suggesting that anybody in those groups are more likely to vote more than once, but if you start to erode the protections for all of us, we're all being disenfranchised a bit. What we want to do is focus on the positive measures that will help people who are homeless or in other ways likely to be disenfranchised, such as bad enumeration and so on. It seems to me that's not really a legislative problem; that's a problem for administration by the Chief Electoral Officer.