Procedure and House Affairs Committee on Nov. 29th, 2007

[Scott Reid, Conservative, Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON]

I've just been trying to examine the two side by side. I'm gathering that the distinction is the date, December 4. It's also changed to “resumption of debate on the motion of Karen Redman”. Those are the only changes. Is that correct?

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

That's correct. The time was also left; there were no other changes. There was some discussion as to whether we would resume the debate, meaning there were speakers and there was an amendment, and of course those are still on the table. That's why the word “resumption” is used.

[Scott Reid, Conservative, Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON]

This deals I think with the unintentionally erroneous statement made by Monsieur Guimond that the amendment and the subamendment had--

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

No, that's incorrect. Mr. Reid, you are correct.

[Scott Reid, Conservative, Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON]

The amendment and subamendment would still be--

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

It's a continuation of where we left off at the last meeting. Does that answer your question?

[Scott Reid, Conservative, Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON]

That does answer my question, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

Did you have anything else?

[Scott Reid, Conservative, Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON]

I haven't at the moment.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

Next is Mr. Lukiwski, and then Mr. Proulx.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

You may have answered it. I'm just not quick enough to figure it out. Am I correct in understanding that the subamendment that we had from Madam Redman's motion is still on the table?

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

Let me be clear for members. At that particular meeting, the meeting was adjourned for lack of quorum. Nothing else was decided, so it makes sense that we continue from that point.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

I just want to make sure; I'm not trying to delay this thing.

What is the subamendment? This motion, to me, seems to be slightly different from Madam Redman's original motion. I'm not sure if I'm correct on that; I'm going from memory here.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

I believe this is word for word. We can get the amendment to you.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

We have an amendment and a subamendment. Is my memory correct on that?

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

We'll get that out for you--

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

I don't even need to see a hard copy. If you've got it handy there and could just read it to the committee, I'd appreciate it.

[The Clerk of the Committee, Mr. James M. Latimer]

This, word for word, is Madam Redman's motion. The amendment that was moved was:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “2006 election” with the following: “2004 and 2006 federal elections”; and by replacing all the words after the word “relation” with the following: “and in comparison to the election campaign expenses of the Liberal Party of Canada, and where Elections Canada has refused to reimburse some Conservative candidates for election campaign expenses”

The subamendment that was subsequently moved was:

That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “Liberal Party of Canada”, the following: “and all other political parties”.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

We concluded the meeting with the debate on the subamendment.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

So procedurally, then--and this is the part I want to get to--if we adopt the report from the steering committee at the next meeting, we're debating not only Madam Redman's motion, but we also have to discuss the amendment and subamendment. Is that correct? I just want clarification.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

I think that's a fair concern. I have a concern that it doesn't exactly say that here.

On the record, is that the assumption of everybody?

[Some hon. members]

Definitely. Yes.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

Without going through another change of words and bringing it back, everybody's in agreement that this is what's understood.

[Karen Redman, Liberal, Kitchener Centre, ON]

We're picking up where we left off.

[The Chair, Conservative, Gary Goodyear]

Correct.

All right. Thank you. Colleagues, I appreciate that cooperation.

Monsieur Proulx, go ahead, please.