Evidence of meeting #21 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was convention.

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Bradley Miller  Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

This is the twenty-first meeting of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. We are on our study of prorogation.

We have Bradley Miller here today from the University of Western Ontario, near my hometown.

Welcome.

He's going to give us a bit of an opening statement and then we'll have questions.

In our second hour today, depending on where we end up here, we have just a bit of committee business on the technologies report, which you've all also received.

Let's go ahead and ask Professor Miller to give his opening statement. Then we'll ask some questions.

11:05 a.m.

Dr. Bradley Miller Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Thank you.

I'd like to begin by thanking the committee for the invitation to be here today. This committee is addressing a matter of great importance for the governance of the country, and I'm honoured to be here working with you. I hope what I have to say will be of use to you.

Some of what I have to say today about constitutional conventions and constitutional law has been said, and said very well, by previous witnesses. My remarks are mainly to indicate where I agree and disagree with what has been said about the nature of conventions, as well as to raise some issues that have not yet been addressed with respect to the role of the Governor General.

There was also, early in these proceedings, some question about whether the Governor General was bound by convention to act only on the advice of the Prime Minister, or whether the Governor General could instead equally accept instruction from the Speaker of the House of Commons or perhaps other sources. On this point at least, there's no doubt about the relevant convention: the Governor General is to act on the advice of the Prime Minister.

In some previous meetings, there appears to have been some confusion caused by the ambiguity of the word “advice”. The Governor General is free to receive information from whatever sources she chooses, but “advice” in this context has a specific technical meaning when we're talking about the Governor General's constitutional obligations. The Prime Minister's advice to the Governor General is in fact “instruction” or “direction”. In its subtle constitutional convention, the Governor General receives advice in this restricted technical sense only from the Prime Minister.

With that out of the way, I'd like to say a few words about conventions. It might be helpful to recap some fundamental points that have been established by previous witnesses, particularly Professors Russell and Heard, both of whom I have great admiration for.

First of all, in the Canadian constitutional order, the power to prorogue Parliament rests exclusively with the Governor General. Secondly, there is a constitutional convention that the Governor General acts on the advice of the Prime Minister and no one else. This is a convention of broad application, of course, and is not limited to matters of prorogation. Third, the Governor General holds in reserve a discretionary power to refuse to act on a Prime Minister's advice in exceptional circumstances.

Now, as a constitutional lawyer, it's important for me to acknowledge at the outset that conventions are not posited law, and we have little to learn about them from courts. While we in Canada tend to take the patriation reference as the starting point of any discussion on the nature of conventions, the rest of the common law world views this as a bit odd.

The ordinary course is for questions of conventions to be resolved by political actors without recourse to courts, as was done by the U.K. Parliament in 1981 when the Kershaw committee, aided by evidence from Oxford's legendary Geoffrey Marshall and John Finnis, produced a masterful analysis of the conventions surrounding patriation. The Kershaw committee's reports are nearly forgotten in Canada, but are a reminder of the primary role of Parliament in interpreting constitutional conventions.

It bears repeating that what makes conventions difficult to work with is that, in the central case, the rules governing their creation and change make them resistant to non-consensual change. It's a simple matter to determine when legislation is enacted, amended, and repealed. The same holds, more or less, for the common law. But with conventions, it's a different story. It's the parties' stable conduct that settles things. Without this stable conduct--and, more to the point, the underlying agreement that is reflected in the conduct--there is no convention.

With conventions, it's not always immediately clear whether a party's action is an infringement of the convention, or an amendment to a convention, or a replacement of an old convention with a new one. This is because the legitimacy of the action depends on whether the action is accepted and adopted by other political actors. There are no rules that can tell you when this is going to happen.

This committee, it seems to me, is concerned with the question of how to modify a particular convention or to create a new convention to govern the request to prorogue. As you're all aware, there are two ways to create a convention. The first, responsible for our most fundamental conventions, is by subtle practice over time, as parties cohere around the soundness of a particular course of action. The second way to create a convention is by simple agreement. In both cases, it's the agreement and the stability of the agreement that makes a convention and gives it force.

I agree with Professor Russell and part company with Professor Heard to the extent that Professor Heard has suggested to you that a constitutional convention surrounding the power to request or grant prorogation could be established by a majority vote in the House of Commons. The idea of creating a convention that binds one of the affected parties over the objection of that party seems to me to be inconsistent with the very concept of a convention.

A new convention about the advice that can be given to the Governor General by the Prime Minister, or the exercise of the reserve power by the Governor General, cannot be created by the simple agreement of a majority of Parliament. To hold otherwise would require a concept of constitutional convention that's alien to our constitutional tradition.

I'd like to move now to some comments about the role of the Governor General. While this committee has been asked to study relevant issues pertaining to prorogation, it seems to me that prorogation is really a microcosm of a larger issue, which is the circumstances in which the reserve powers of the Governor General can be exercised and the role Parliament can play in changing the conventions governing the exercise of those powers.

In the commentary I wrote on the events of December 2008, I emphasized that the Governor General had the reserve power to refuse the Prime Minister if she concluded that the request was in violation of a constitutional convention and, in that sense, was unconstitutional. It required an assessment on the part of the Governor General of whether the request was a good faith attempt by the Prime Minister to act in the best interests of the country, or if it was made for mere partisan advantage or was an abuse of authority in some other way. There has to be an assessment of the reasons given by the Prime Minister in these circumstances, and an independent exercise of judgment by the Governor General.

In determining whether there is reason to believe that the Prime Minister is overreaching constitutional authority in the circumstances, there's no reason why the Governor General should not have the benefit of information provided by Parliament. This is not a matter of being advised by Parliament in the constitutional sense, but a matter of simply receiving information. To the extent that there is currently doubt about the appropriateness of the Speaker providing such information to the Governor General, there is now an opportunity for Parliament to agree on some avenue to communicate to the Governor General any relevant circumstances or information needed to best exercise her discretion.

New and flexible rules are not needed, but simply good information and good judgment. The Governor General needs flexibility to determine, for example, when a request to prorogue is made for the purpose for which the power exists--when a government has lost confidence, when to dissolve Parliament, when to call an election, etc.

Canadians have become accustomed to an office of Governor General with little to no political function. Given the sort of statecraft that's now needed from the office, and the culture of transparency and public justification that now pervades public life, some changes to the office and how it relates to Parliament are now needed.

We can benefit from the experience of countries like New Zealand, where the office of Governor General was transformed after the adoption of proportional representation. Governor General Hardie Boys, for example, used public addresses to explain the criteria he would use in determining whether a proposed government would likely command the confidence of the House.

I'm not suggesting that the Governor General should have to justify specific decisions made after the fact with reasons to the public, but it would enhance the authority of the Governor General to hold other political actors to account if the Governor General were to be politically or publicly accountable in some way, and it would provide for some common understanding of how the office functioned. Such public accountability can be provided, for example, through public statements about how she would view the role of information provided from Parliament, or statements about criteria she would use for decisions and the exercise of the reserve powers.

While Parliament is not in a position to insist that the Governor General take any of the actions I have suggested, it's entirely appropriate for Parliament to express its desire for the Governor General's office to take steps to increase the transparency of its decision-making. Another possibility, and one that was suggested by former Governor General Adrienne Clarkson, would be to hold a parliamentary hearing for appointees to that office. Such a hearing, similar to those recently employed prior to the appointments to the Supreme Court, could provide an opportunity for an incoming Governor General to dialogue with Parliament first-hand about the expectations of the respective roles of Parliament and the executive.

Thank you.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you, Professor Miller.

Madam Jennings.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Thank you so much, Professor Miller, for your presentation.

I would like to come at it from the angle of the Speaker. Should a majority of the House decide or should there be a unanimous decision of the House on some aspect of the issue of prorogation and a wish to have its point of view brought to the attention of the Governor General, it has been suggested to us that the way in which this can happen is through the Speaker, and that the Speaker would have access to the Governor General virtually at any point.

If I can just read for you something that was brought to our attention, it's called “Access to the Governor General: A Little-Known Parliamentary Privilege”, and it states:

At the opening of the First Session of a new Parliament, the newly elected Speaker of the House of Commons presents himself or herself to the Governor General in the Senate Chamber before the latter delivers the Speech from the Throne. The Speaker addresses the Governor General by an established formula, which is as follows:

May it please Your Excellency, The House of Commons has elected me their Speaker, though I am but little able to fulfil the important duties thus assigned to me. If, in the performance of those duties, I should at any time fall into error, I pray that the fault may be imputed to me, and not to the Commons, whose servant I am, and who, through me, the better to enable them to discharge their duty to their Queen and Country, humbly claim all their undoubted rights and privileges, especially that they may have freedom of speech in their debates, access to Your Excellency’s person at all seasonable times--

That phrase was underlined by the witness who brought this to our attention.

--and that their proceedings may receive from Your Excellency the most favourable construction.

So basically what that witness was bringing to our attention--and other witnesses more or less agreed--was that the House of Commons can express its will, not just on prorogation, but on other issues that may be convention, that may be actual law, and bring the House's opinion or view to the attention of the Governor General, if it might be of interest in terms of her or him exercising their exclusive authority or reserve authority. That could be done through the Speaker.

I'm not sure if that's something you have considered, but if it is, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say about it.

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

Thank you. Could I just ask what you are reading from so we're on the same page?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

It's the address that the Speaker makes to the Governor General just prior to a throne speech when you have a new legislative session. Apparently it's a well-established formula. It's the same text that is read every time and it says that the House of Commons, through the Speaker, would have access to “Your Excellency's person at all seasonable times”.

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

I haven't conducted any sort of study about the office of the Speaker and the relationship between the Speaker and the Governor General. But with that disclaimer out of the way, I don't see anything objectionable about the Speaker approaching the Governor General to provide information, provided that at all times we're very clear on this distinction between providing information and giving advice in the constitutional sense. That latter function is the exclusive preserve of the Prime Minister.

That's really all I can say about the issue. Does that answer your question?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Yes....

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

You're looking at me hopefully.

11:15 a.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

By all means, follow up.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

No. I think the follow-up would be our chair sending you a copy of the actual document. That would then allow you to review it carefully--

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

--do your own research if necessary, and then respond to the committee through the chair.

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

If you're asking me for an opinion on what are the conventions surrounding the office of the Speaker with respect to giving information to the Governor General, I'm simply not in a position to give you any answer to that question now. But I would certainly be happy to go away, research it, and provide you with a report.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Thank you.

This was prepared by B. Thomas Hall, who's a former procedural clerk of the House of Commons, for this committee for the study on prorogation. Basically what he says is that this is a convention, that the Speaker does have access to the Governor General “at all seasonable times”, and that should the House of Commons, whether or not we attempt any change of the convention on prorogation, at any time believe that there is an issue and be of like mind that it should be brought to the attention of the Governor General, this is an avenue whereby that view could be brought to the attention of the Governor General.

I would ask that we send a copy of this to you.

11:15 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Thank you.

I'm done for now. Thank you.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Great.

Mr. Reid.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Professor Miller, for being here with us today.

I wanted to start by asking you to give us a bit more detail on the public comments that the Governor General of New Zealand has made. I'm interested, first of all, in knowing whether these were made before or after he found himself in a position to exercise the reserve powers, and then, maybe you could give us a bit of detail about what kind of content was in those comments.

11:20 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

Sure.

First of all, Governor General Sir Hardie Boys was the first Governor General to hold that post in New Zealand after they switched to the proportional representation voting. He took it upon himself to make some public addresses well ahead of time prior to being called upon to identify the government of New Zealand.

He set out the criteria that he would be using to identify a government, on the basis that he thought it would help things immeasurably if everyone was on the same foot and understood what was.... He believed it would help negotiations among the political parties if they knew what was going through his mind, so they wouldn't be operating in the dark.

Thereafter, he made periodic speeches about his office, explaining what its functions were. These were communications that weren't intended simply for the political actors, but also for the public, so that they would understand what it was he was doing as a form of providing for public accountability. Being very aware of the fact that he was exercising power and yet was not directly responsible to the electorate, that was the way in which he made himself accountable.

As far as the specifics of what he had to say are concerned, these were in some fairly wide-ranging speeches. I provided a link to the New Zealand Governor General's website in my written remarks that directs to where some of his speeches are archived.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

In general, the fact that it's on the Governor General's website suggests that these were well enough received that now.... I need your assistance on when this would have come up. I'm guessing that this was in the nineties.

11:20 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

This was in the late nineties, in about 1998 or so.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

But the public perception of these and of the process of having made them public was positive enough that they've been able to keep them on the website. Would that be correct?

11:20 a.m.

Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario, As an Individual

Dr. Bradley Miller

I'm a humble Canadian constitutional academic, so my knowledge of New Zealand politics is extremely limited, but I certainly haven't heard of any great outrage at the Governor General's conduct.