One way to look at what is being done in Canada and other jurisdictions is to call Elections B.C., or the Alberta authorities, or Quebec or Elections Ontario, to find out what they've put in place. I, like Mr. Arnold, did not come here with any Internet fraud solutions today. That's not my area of expertise.
But I will share just quickly how bad the lists are.
You, Mr. Murphy, started off by saying that the lists...and I've seen the numbers that the Chief Electoral Officer has suggested: 93% of the voters are there. I believe it's 80-odd per cent who are living in their permanent residence. There's no way, from the information we have, that this is anywhere near what we know to be true.
I know that each political party around the table today would know that. They can go to their political party's offices and see the stacks and stacks of returned mail because a person has moved or because a person is deceased. There's nothing as sad as when you're on the phone with a widow and you keep mailing to the husband who passed away 10 years ago. The reason that husband is on the list is that he's on the voters list. He's on the Elections Canada voters list. That's not our list. That's not the other parties' lists. That is the Elections Canada list. If it's that bad, I can't understand how the integrity can be maintained.
The key here is that you're asking us to fix a flawed system. The permanent voters list is a flawed system. We recommend going back to full enumeration. It has only been about 14 years since the legislation was passed in Parliament. I don't know what more this table or the rest of the House needs to see for evidence to say that we need to go back, so that individuals, either online or in person, can be signing up to exercise their franchise. If they move or if they change their name, they can turn on their computer--as they're doing every day already--and update their information. I think that's a modern, fraud-free way of getting this system into the 21st century.