Evidence of meeting #125 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was election.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor Knight  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Jean-François Morin  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Anne Lawson  Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Regulatory Affairs, Elections Canada
Stephanie Kusie  Calgary Midnapore, CPC
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Lauzon
Jennifer O'Connell  Pickering—Uxbridge, Lib.
Linda Lapointe  Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, Lib.
Manon Paquet  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

5:40 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Yes.

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Our preference would be to see that information on election night, but....

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Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Regulatory Affairs, Elections Canada

Anne Lawson

We're stumbling because, of course, it will be available locally. We're going to have the results as quickly as we can on election night. As to how we're going to publish them and how quickly that's going to happen, I guess you are, unfortunately, jumping a little bit ahead of where we are in terms of the mechanics and the logistics of the count.

It could be by box, if you like, or it could be by polling division. We could have layers of counting, because we may use boxes that combine votes from various polling divisions. We may count per box, then rationalize per polling division, and then rationalize per polling station. There are some sequences.

Obviously throughout, we will make sure that all of it is traceable and there's integrity connected to the count. But exactly how that's going to go, in what sequence, and when precisely we will have all the different tallies that are involved, I can't answer.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Since I still have the floor, I'll wrap up by saying that I have great respect for Mr. Nater. He's not one to play games. But it does seem to me that common sense—

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Sorry?

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

That's a joke.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

—would dictate that slowing down a tad, knowing there's going to be a full report to the next Parliament, hopefully with lots of time to consider the matter.... I would be opposed to jumping ahead. I think the intent is good, but I it's too much specificity at this time. We should leave the latitude to Elections Canada to come to the next Parliament with those details, Chair.

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Is there any further debate on this amendment?

Let's go to a vote on CPC-71, which also applies to CPC-74 and CPC-79, as they are linked by the concept of number of votes.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 191 agreed to on division)

Now we're going to jump ahead to the next clause we skipped, which is clause 194. CPC-74 was consequential to the one we just voted down, so there are no amendments now to clause 194.

(Clause 194 agreed to)

(On clause 197)

Now we'll jump ahead to clause 197.

We're starting with CPC-75.1. Do we vote on that?

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The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Andrew Lauzon

I think it was already defeated.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

The first amendment on that one was defeated.

We'll go to CPC-76. Perhaps the Conservatives could introduce that amendment.

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

Amendment CPC-76 is to ensure a second witness for ballot counting where only one candidate is represented. Did we not just go through this?

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

This is for a different.... I think we did this for the—

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

Advance polls?

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

—advance polls that are happening before polls have closed. It's similar to what we said earlier.

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Frankly, if it wasn't accepted for election night, we don't need to waste any more time debating this one.

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Let's have the vote and carry on.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We're going on to CPC-77. This also applies to CPC-146, which you can find on page 268, as they are linked together by reference. Perhaps the Conservatives could introduce CPC-77 and explain briefly what it does.

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

I think it's similar to the previous amendment that we proposed, but a lot simpler. This establishes a prohibition on sharing of advance poll results before polls close on election day, with the possibilities for influence being obvious.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Is it because of the new provision to count earlier, before the polls are closed?

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Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

That would certainly have an effect, yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

This amendment says you can't share the results. You can actually now count advance polls an hour before the polls close, so this prohibits polling stations from sharing that result with people.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Is that not always there?