Evidence of meeting #17 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was staff.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Mayrand  Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada
Hughes St-Pierre  Chief Financial and Planning Officer, Integrated Services, Policy and Public Affairs, Elections Canada
Thomas Shannon  President, Local 232, United Food and Commercial Workers Union Canada
Tara Hogeterp  Representative, Local 232, United Food and Commercial Workers Union Canada
Mélisa Ferreira  Representative, Local 232, United Food and Commercial Workers Union Canada
Roger Thompson  President, Local 70390, Public Service Alliance of Canada
Jim McDonald  Labour Relations Officer, Union of National Employees, Public Service Alliance of Canada

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We have a very busy day today. We have witnesses right away for the main estimates; then we have another set of witnesses for our study; and then we'll be studying the plan for the question of privilege at the end.

This is meeting number 17 of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, for the first session of the 42nd Parliament. It's being held in public. Our business today is the main estimates, 2016-17, vote 1 under the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer; followed by witnesses for our study on initiatives toward a family-friendly House of Commons; and finally some committee business, primarily on the motion of privilege.

I'd like to welcome our witnesses here. Today we have a good visitor whom we see all the time, Mr. Marc Mayrand, the chief electoral officer, along with Hughes St-Pierre, chief financial and planning officer, integrated services, policy and public affairs; Stéphane Perrault, deputy chief electoral officer of regulatory affairs; Michel Roussel, deputy chief electoral officer of electoral events; and Belaineh Deguefé, the deputy chief electoral officer, integrated services, policy and public affairs.

Thank you all for coming. We can go to your opening remarks.

11 a.m.

Marc Mayrand Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for inviting me to discuss the 2016-17 main estimates for my office.

I am pleased to be here with my officials to meet with committee members for the first time during the 42nd Parliament, and I wish to congratulate all members on their recent election to the House of Commons. I will keep my remarks brief in order for committee members to have time for questions.

Today, the committee is studying and voting on my office's annual appropriation, which is $29.2 million. This represents the salaries of approximately 339 indeterminate positions. Combined with our statutory authority, which funds all other expenditures under the Canada Elections Act, our 2016-17 main estimates total $98.5 million.

During this fiscal year, Elections Canada will continue to wrap up the 42nd general election. Two of our major tasks are to audit the financial returns of political entities and issue reimbursements of election expenses, as well as to complete a series of post-election reports.

The agency is currently processing the financial returns of candidates, while political party returns for the general election are due on June 20. Despite the high number of candidates who registered for the election—more than 1,800 in total—we remain confident that we will be able to complete the audits in accordance with our service standards. This means audits will be completed before August 19 on all returns that are eligible for a reimbursement, that were filed using the electronic financial returns software within the original four-month deadline, and that contain no errors requiring an amendment. The remaining audits will be completed in the 12 months thereafter.

As members are aware, my first report on the conduct of the 42nd general election was tabled by the Speaker of the House and referred to this committee on February 5. This report is a factual and chronological description of key events during the election.

My second report, to be published this summer, will present a more in-depth retrospective of the election. Informed by a number of surveys, studies and post-mortems, it will provide a review of the election experiences of electors and political entities. It will also include the findings from the independent audit of poll worker performance and Elections Canada's response.

The conclusions and lessons learned in the retrospective report will act as a bridge to recommendations for legislative changes. I will be recommending specific changes to improve the administration of the Canada Elections Act in a report early this fall.

While wrapping up the election, we are also developing a new strategic plan to guide the agency forward based on our post-election studies and stakeholder feedback. The plan's core focus is on modernizing the electoral process to make it simpler, more effective, and more convenient and flexible for voters, while also preserving the integrity of the process.

With a majority government in place, as well as a fixed election date of October 21, 2019, there is an opportunity now to bring the electoral process, currently anchored in the 19th century, in line with contemporary Canadian expectations. My office is committed to ensuring that our services better align with those expectations in the 43rd general election. A key focus of the agency's plan is to modernize voting services by introducing technology at advance and election day polls and for voting at returning offices and by mail.

We can carry out some aspects of modernization under the current legal framework, but other aspects may require legislative changes. For example, currently electors can only vote at their designated table within a polling station. To create a more fluid and simpler process, I will be recommending legislative amendments that reorganize the duties and functions of various poll workers, enabling electors to vote at any table in their polling place. I intend to engage the committee as we advance on this initiative.

In moving forward with our plans, we remain mindful that Parliament may undertake a review of the electoral system. We will ensure that any new processes we develop will be able to accommodate any legislative changes that result from such a review. In this light, another important element of our strategic plan is to support parliamentarians with technical advice during this process as required.

I look forward to providing committee members with more detailed information on Elections Canada's plans for electoral services modernization at our informal meeting on May 3.

I want to thank you, again, Mr. Chair, for inviting me to discuss the 2016-17 main estimates for my office. My colleagues and I are happy to answer any questions the committee may have.

Thank you.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Thank you very much.

Just to give you a pre-warning, we may have to reschedule your other presentation again, but we'll talk about that later.

I welcome to the committee Mr. Mark Strahl and Rémi Massé, and two Yukoners sitting at the back.

We'll go, for the first round of questioning, to David Graham.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Is there any proposed spending in the office's main estimates that has been put on hold, or that hinges on potential electoral reform outcomes?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

There is not at this point in time. As I was trying to convey, we are proceeding with our efforts to make proposals for modernizing services at this point, while keeping an eye on potential reforms that may shape up in the future.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

You were talking about changes on election day, little things such as being able to vote at any table. What are the logistical impacts, and are there any negative consequences you can see of that, or how would it work?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Basically it flows from the idea that tasks would be specialized at the poll rather than generalized. Right now our process makes it such that an elector can show up at the poll and face a line up of 20 people ahead of them, while all the other tables in the gymnasium are free. We want to change that. We need to break that model. We want to allow electors to pick whichever table is free to go to cast their ballot.

Again, the results would be provided by location—by poll site, rather than poll by poll.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Does that increase the risk of people voting twice, or that kind of thing, whereby somebody can go to multiple tables and not be caught?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

No, it would be under supervision as usual. Again, we will be proposing to have electronic scans to monitor electors as they go through the process.

It's a process that's used at municipal elections pretty much across the country, and also in some provinces; notably, New Brunswick has used a similar model for a long time now.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

As we remember, in the last Parliament there was a major change in electoral law called The Fair Elections Act. Can you talk about the impact of it on fund-raising for the election over the last while?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

On fund-raising...?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Well, it changed the rules around fund-raising in relation to Elections Canada, about when an expense is reportable and so forth. Can you talk abut the impact of that act, the positives and the negatives that we saw in the election?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

It's a bit early to say. As I'm sure you know, spending limits were adjusted. Contribution amounts were also adjusted slightly to reflect inflation, plus an additional 5%. There were also changes that allow borrowing for candidates' local campaigns, as well as changes regarding an initial contribution of I believe $5,000 to bring to your campaign.

It's too early for us to have done any analysis. We are just getting the returns as we speak. Within a year I should be able to report on the systemic aspect of the new regime.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

You said you had a number of suggestions coming. When will we be seeing those?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Well, we are to talk at an upcoming meeting on I believe May 3—that may change, if I understood the chair correctly—and we will get into more details then on the specific concepts of modernization. You will also see some of it through the recommendations for legislative changes that will be tabled early in the fall.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Okay.

Now, one of the changes we saw was the removal of the voter identification card as a valid piece of identification. What kind of impact did that have, if any? What did you see?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

We have not completed our analysis at this point in time. We're still in the process of looking into that. If you look at the labour force survey that was conducted by Statistics Canada, you will see that among the reasons for people not voting, it looks like voter ID was a barrier for 170,000 people who claimed that not being able to prove their ID or address was an issue for them, and therefore they did not vote.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

That's 170,000?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Yes, 172,000, according to that survey .

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

That's a pretty big number.

There is currently no federal identification that meets the federal election requirements, is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Correct. There is no national ID card of any sort that meets the requirements of the Elections Act.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I'll share my time with Ms. Vandenbeld.

11:10 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP David Christopherson

You have three minutes.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I'd like to follow up on the voter education. I know that in the Fair Elections Act there was a lot of discussion about the role of Elections Canada in doing voter education and promoting voting. I know that Elections Canada in past has been very involved in, for instance, voter education programs for youth votes, mock elections, and things like that.

In program expenditures, is there still an amount for this kind of voter education?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

There is still an amount for not voter education but citizen education. Our mandate now is restricted to non-voters, those who are under the voting age. We do work with schools across the country and various groups to reach out to those who are not yet at voting age.