Again, Mr. Sutherland addressed that. He was at that meeting. By recollection, I think the meeting took place in my office in the Confederation Building. Nobody from the Prime Minister's Office was in that meeting. I certainly don't have a recollection of that.
I was working with a parliamentarian from another caucus who shared our objective in preparing this legislation. We were lucky to benefit from the non-partisan advice of both senior public servants and Elections Canada. There's no mystery. The Conservatives find it shocking that people would work together to try to improve our electoral system. I don't think Canadians find it shocking that parliamentarians would work together to strengthen our democracy as opposed to try to vandalize it like Mr. Cooper would do.