Evidence of meeting #133 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.
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Conservative
Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON
I saw Mr. Cooper was reading the motion. I made eye contact with you.
Liberal
Conservative
Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON
When Mr. Cooper was reading the motion, I was looking in the room and made eye contact with you and waved you down, and said that I'd like to go afterwards, and you sort of looked.... I said that after he's done speaking, we'd be debating a motion and I'd like to get on the list. You nodded and you wrote my name down. I turned to Mr. Berthold, and he said, yes, he'd like to be on it, and Mr. Calkins did the same thing. I looked over, and then Mr. Turnbull did do that.
So, I waved you down, and then afterwards, when you had already written my name down, I did see Mr. Turnbull put his hand up. That is what happened.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Thank you, Mr. Duncan.
Nonetheless, I have a challenge to the chair here. I just need to verify with the clerk, but I believe that we now actually have to have a vote on this.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Madam Clerk, I ask that you go ahead and call the vote.
What we're voting on is that Mr. Turnbull is challenging the speaking order in indicating that he ought to have been recognized first. I've called the vote.
Conservative
Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON
What are we voting on here? You're saying that—
Conservative
Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON
Is it that he goes first above everybody else, including Mr. Cooper?
Conservative
Conservative
Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON
From a procedural point of view, how can the person have the floor?
Conservative
Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB
I had the floor when you suspended, so I continue to have the floor.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Colleagues, just one second. I've called the vote, but what you're challenging is that Mr. Turnbull does not have the right on a point of order to challenge my ruling. I believe you're wrong on that, but I'm going to verify with the clerk.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Colleagues, I'm going to explain this again, but the vote's been called.
Yes, Mr. Cooper had the floor, but as we know, on a point of order, a challenge to the chair can be raised. That's what occurred. I have no wiggle room on this. He's challenged the speaking order. What's now going to happen is we are having a vote, which is to determine whether or not the speaking order be altered due to an issue with my assigning of that order. Mr. Turnbull has done that, or has adequately followed procedure. I've called the vote.
Conservative
Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB
No, I think there needs to be some further clarification, because when Mr. Turnbull challenged you, it was in relation to who was recognized after me. I was not finished speaking.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
My understanding is that Mr. Turnbull is challenging the speaking order that I had identified as being Mr. Duncan, Mr. Berthold, Mr. Calkins, and then Mr. Turnbull.
Conservative
Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB
Except that in order to get to the next person on the list, I would have to finish speaking, and I hadn't.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Mr. Cooper, just a moment. I'm going to check once more with the clerk, and then I'm going to come back with my ruling here.
Okay, colleagues. Here's the explanation. I'll do my best to make it clear.
I'm going to run through a hypothetical here. Mr. Turnbull has challenged the chair about the speaking order. We are going to vote on that because it is within the scope of the Standing Orders.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
Wait one moment, Monsieur Berthold.
Should I be overruled, Mr. Cooper would maintain the floor, at which point it would then go to Mr. Turnbull. That's if my decision is overturned. This is the ruling.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ben Carr
This is the ruling.
Again, what Mr. Turnbull has done is completely kosher in accordance with the Standing Orders. Should I be overturned about the speaking order, it would go to Mr. Cooper and then to Mr. Turnbull. If I am not overturned, then the speaking order would remain as I had it originally in my judgment, which would be Mr. Cooper, Mr. Duncan, Monsieur Berthold, Mr. Calkins and Mr. Turnbull.
We are going to vote. The direction of where this goes will be based on that.
