It's very important not to see the threat of foreign interference by a country like China as something that is binary. It's not like it's off one day, and it's on the next day. They are things that come over time.
During the period when I was in the position, our concerns were a lot more on issues like the acquisition of sensitive technology, what we like to refer to as economic security. We took a number of measures that have actually provided more scrutiny on this.
We had other concerns with China. Foreign interference was one of them, but it was not a period when there was.... There were signals. There's a reason why in 2015 the Department of Foreign Affairs decided to be more direct by putting countries on notice that they should not interfere. However, there was no smoking gun. There were just activities that we wanted to make sure would not result in any kind of interference.