I don't want to mislead anyone, but from what I heard publicly or from what my colleagues may have said, he understood just how unfortunate the situation was, further to his appearance before the committee. Honestly, Ms. Gaudreau, I'm not surprised, because I, too, was disappointed, and I said so publicly.
I never heard Mr. Johnston claim at the time that what happened was fine. I'm not familiar with the details, but it doesn't surprise me. He's a man of great humility. Based on my discussions with him, my sense was that he wanted to understand the criticism and rectify the situation. In fact, that tied in with the recommendations he made following the 2021 election. The new commissioner will likely take a close look at them, and I hope that person will have the support of the committee and members.