Evidence of meeting #73 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Eric Janse  Acting Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons
Patrick McDonell  Sergeant-at-Arms and Corporate Security Officer, House of Commons
Larry Brookson  Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service
Michel Patrice  Deputy Clerk, Administration, House of Commons
Stéphan Aubé  Chief Information Officer, Digital Services and Real Property, House of Commons
Allen Sutherland  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Machinery of Government, Privy Council Office

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Madam Chair, I will address Mr. Fergus through you.

I think this is the appropriate question, in that there has been a failure to share information on Mr. Chong's situation, which was very serious. This situation, which should concern all parliamentarians, is of great concern to our government. The fact that the information did not get to the Minister of Public Safety, at the time, nor to his boss, the Prime Minister, is not acceptable. As we said at the very beginning, this is precisely why the Prime Minister has mandated our colleague, the Minister of Public Safety, to issue new instructions, specific and in writing, to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

I've seen drafts and I know it's being done, but I can also assure you, given that the Prime Minister has spoken about it publicly as well as privately, at meetings where I was present, that federal agencies are already becoming apprised of these instructions. When the Prime Minister was advised of the situation, he asked the Canadian Security Intelligence Service to inform Mr. Chong, based on the information available to them, of the disturbing circumstances surrounding this allegation, which was done. As I don't have a roadmap, I'm answering from memory. It's essential to have accurate information during this kind of discussion, which is why I make sure to add a small reservation to what I say.

Your colleague Mr. Cooper alluded to statements made by the Prime Minister. It's true that he was informed of the situation when he read about a public debate in a newspaper. Subsequently, the Prime Minister's National Security and Intelligence Advisor also spoke to Mr. Chong to correct information or provide him with more details, which may not have been very obvious at the time of the first meeting. However, as I didn't attend these meetings, I'm basing this partly on what I've seen in the public context.

The lesson we need to learn from this is that all of our parliamentary colleagues, in both the House of Commons and the Senate, need to be notified when there is a potential threat, and offered tools as well as advice from national security experts on how to protect themselves and their families, as well as their staff. The best way to ensure that these attempts at interference don't result in contaminated election results is to take a defensive stance, which is what the government has always done.

The idea, I think, is to help our parliamentary colleagues become aware of these threats, of the tactics of certain countries. China is not the only country involved, as we've stressed on numerous occasions. Indeed, other countries have attempted to interfere, and not just in Canada. I think we'll have to make an ongoing effort and make sure we take all the necessary measures.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Mr. LeBlanc, I'd like to give you a chance to elaborate on your response to Ms. Blaney's question.

Can Canada follow the Finnish model, while taking into account areas of federal and provincial jurisdiction?

1 p.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Madam Chair, I thank the member for his question.

As an MP from the province of Quebec, Mr. Fergus knows the importance of respecting absolute provincial jurisdictions, especially when it comes to education. However, Ms. Blaney is absolutely right to say that in some of Canada's allied countries, Finland being a prime example, the national government—I don't know if I'm using the right word—seems to be deciding to invest more in educating school-age children about these threats and the importance of protecting institutions. If we can offer support to provinces that want to do that, we certainly will.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger

Thank you very much.

With that, Minister LeBlanc, as you have shared your schedule, and you have somewhere to be, we're going to thank you for your time and your attention today.

Mr. Sutherland, you were very eloquent in all of the comments that you shared as well.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Is that just Mr. Sutherland, Madam Chair, or is that me as well? Did you find the eloquence was shared equally between Al and me?

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger

We might have to set up a committee to discuss that.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Maybe you'll invite us back and we can compare.

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger

If there is anything else you would like to share, please send it to the clerk and we will have it distributed.

With that, have a good day.

The meeting is adjourned.