I agree completely with my colleague, Thomas Juneau, that there are systematic, persistent problems with over-classification. I don't think those are going to be solved solely through a focus on foreign interference issues.
An important question is this: What is the level of sensitivity that we're talking about in holding either a judicial inquiry or public hearings on foreign interference? I think it has to be understood as extremely high. I think it also has to be said that some of the media revelations based on the documents clearly compromise what are often called Canadian sources and methods because they refer, among other things, to the contents of intercepted communications flowing between Chinese diplomatic officials in Canada. There is only one way in which that material can be gathered. There are sources and methods at stake, which is at the heart of the information you have to protect.
It is also important to understand that you cannot hold a judicial inquiry into foreign interference without considering where the trends are going, what's ahead, what the current operations are, what the current investigations are, and what challenges they face. Again, all of that would have to be protected by a very heavy and high curtain of secrecy.
With regard to public hearings, we're going to have to deal with that same issue of secrecy. However, they are not going to try to penetrate it but will try to get at the general issues. I think that is the more valuable proposition for Canadians.