Evidence of meeting #38 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was regime.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Aubertin-Giguère  Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 38 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3), the committee is meeting for its update on the implementation of the foreign influence transparency registry.

Today's meeting is taking place in public in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

Before I continue, I would ask all in-person participants to consult the guidelines written on cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of all participants, especially our interpreters.

I'd like to remind the witness—although you are a frequent flyer here—that committee members may ask questions in either English or French. If you need interpretation, please take a moment to prepare your earpiece and select the listening channel you need in advance, in order to take full advantage of the time allotted for questions and answers.

I have a few comments for the benefit of members.

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Before we go to today's witness.... There was a supplementary budget request sent out.

Is there any opposition to that? Is it agreed to?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Okay.

I'd like to welcome our witness for today's meeting.

From the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, we have Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère, assistant deputy minister, national and cybersecurity branch.

You have five minutes to deliver your opening remarks.

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Foreign Influence Transparency and Accountability Act received royal assent in June 2024. It establishes an independent commissioner, their office and a public registry of foreign influence activities. It's designed to strengthen transparency and protect Canada's democratic institutions from malign foreign influence.

Under the FITAA framework, individuals or entities entering into an arrangement with foreign principals and undertaking activities intended to influence governmental or political processes at any level of government in Canada will be required to register these activities.

In order for the act to be brought into force, three items must be ready. The commissioner must be appointed and their office established. The regulations to support the implementation of the act must be in place. The IT components—notably, the registration form and the public registry, must be ready. We have made significant progress on all three components.

Anton Boegman has been selected as the commissioner-in-waiting. Mr. Boegman brings deep knowledge of electoral principles, legislation and operations from his time as the chief electoral officer of British Columbia from 2018 to 2025, and through senior roles at Elections BC.

While Mr. Boegman has been selected by Parliament, he cannot be formally appointed until the act comes into force. In the interim, he works as an executive adviser. We're working with him on operational readiness activities to support a smooth stand-up of the office once the regime comes into force. Public Safety is supporting the staffing of the office in consultation with the commissioner-in-waiting. All essential positions required to support the coming into force of the act have been staffed, or staffing is near completion, and staff training is in full swing to support operational readiness.

The regulations necessary to implement the regime are being finalized. The proposed regulations were published in the Canada Gazette, part I, in January. We received a lot of feedback that is informing our revisions to these regulations. Comments on the proposed regulations were published in the Canada Gazette for public review in April. The regulations will specify what information is collected and published, how an administrative monetary penalties regime will work and the information-sharing authorities, among other things.

We've received 154 individual comments on the proposed regulations. A repeated concern was the original lower range of the AMP regime, which was set at $50. That was deemed to be too low. We've received feedback that even the upper limit of the penalty range, set at $1 million, is not a strong enough deterrent for wealthy entities. We've also received feedback that the regulations proposed collect too much information via the registration.

I note that a lot of the comments did not pertain to the regulations but rather sought clarity on the purpose of the Foreign Influence Transparency and Accountability Act, as well as key terms. For instance, several commentators wanted clarity on what constitutes an arrangement with a foreign principal. This feedback is informing revisions to the regulations as well as the reference documents that will be made public.

The development of the IT infrastructure and website are well under way. We are in the process of completing the work to support the registration and the registry as such. We are also finalizing communications materials. In addition, we are engaging stakeholders to raise public awareness of the upcoming registry and registration obligations.

In simple terms, we are extremely close to the finish line. The final steps for establishing the regime will be publication of the final regulations in the Canada Gazette, part II, an order in council to bring the FITAA into force and the order in council to appoint the commissioner formally. However, the committee will understand that I'm not in the position to provide specific timelines for these decisions, as they remain cabinet confidence.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much.

We'll now go to questions and comments.

We'll start with Mr. Cooper for six minutes, please.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the assistant deputy minister.

You noted that a commissioner, Anton Boegman, has been named, but his appointment has not taken effect to date. Before Mr. Boegman's appointment can take effect, that would require an order in council by the cabinet, and that order in council has not been issued. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

The regulations setting out how the registry will operate have not been finalized. Have they...?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

A secure IT solution to support the registry is a core part of the effective operation and administration of the registry. Is that fair?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

The secure IT solution is not yet up and running. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

It's not done, though. No permanent staff for the registry have been hired to date. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

No, most of the staff have been hired.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

When you say most of the staff, what does that look like?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

There are going to be a number of functions within the office. There are going to be the individuals administering the enforcement regime. They are individuals who will be receiving the registration, doing the analysis, getting in contact with registrants and posting. We have the legal counsel, so most of the positions for operational readiness have been staffed.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

How many staff have been hired?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

I think it's close to 20.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

How many positions need to be filled?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

Overall, at steady state, we'll probably get to about 27. For operational readiness, 20 were deemed as a first step because it's going to be an incremental position—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you for that.

I know you indicated at the end of your testimony that you can't provide a specific timeline, but can you give us a ballpark as to when the registry will be up and running? You appeared before this committee in December; your testimony then sounded a lot like your testimony today, and we still don't have a registry in place. Do you have a ballpark?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

The only thing I can say is that we're very close to the finish line.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

It's been two years since Bill C-70 was passed, which was in June 2024. That would have established the registry. The Liberals promised that it would be up and running in June 2025. Then it was December 2025. Then it was the spring. Now it's almost the summer, and we still don't have a registry in place. There has been no timeline and no transparency from the minister as to when that is going to happen.

How often are you in contact with the Minister of Public Safety regarding setting up the registry?

11:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Sébastien Aubertin-Giguère

We brief the minister's office on a weekly basis.