Evidence of meeting #4 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was elections.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Perrault  Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer
Roussel  Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Electoral Events and Innovation, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Welcome, everyone. I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number four of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3), the committee is meeting in public on the “Report on the 45th General Election of April 28, 2025”.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

Before we continue, I would ask all in-person participants to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of all participants, including interpreters. You will also notice a QR code on the card, which links to a short awareness video.

I have a quick reminder, though you all know this, that all comments should be addressed through the chair. For members in the room, if you wish to speak, raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can.

We have witnesses for today, but before we get to them, I know we've spoken to everyone and I believe, if I seek it, I will find unanimous consent to amend the motion before us in the manner that was provided to the parties.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses for today's meeting. From the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, we have Monsieur Stéphane Perrault, Chief Electoral Officer, and Monsieur Michel Roussel, deputy chief electoral officer, electoral events and innovation.

Monsieur Perrault will deliver his opening remarks. It's usually five minutes, but since you're here for two hours, I think you will have the latitude to go a bit longer should you need to.

Monsieur Perrault, please go ahead.

Stéphane Perrault Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity to speak with the committee today about the 45th general election.

I would like at the outset to express my gratitude to the 343 returning officers and their teams, as well as to the more than 230,000 Canadians who served their neighbours and allowed them to cast their vote.

Going into this election, in addition to ensuring the transition to the new electoral map, which we obviously did, Elections Canada focused its efforts on securing the electoral process and improving voting services. While these areas of action presented challenges, which I will address over the next few minutes, the delivery of the 45th general election was an overall success.

Since the previous election in 2021, there have been important discussions about election security and foreign interference.

In the lead-up to and during the election, we continued to work with our security partners to understand potential threats and to secure our IT systems and the overall electoral process. I can say today that Elections Canada did not experience any breaches to our IT infrastructure or interference with our electoral operations during the election.

The Hogue Commission described disinformation as the single biggest threat to our democracy. To counter information manipulation, we developed a range of information products, including a multimedia Voter Information Campaign that is available in 50 languages, as well as detailed content on electoral integrity mechanisms.

We also monitored the information environment to observe inaccurate narratives about the electoral process, both before and during the election. While we did observe an increase in inaccurate narratives, we were able to ensure that Canadians had access to correct information about the electoral process and to promptly correct misinformation through our various channels, such as our repository of official communications and our social media posts.

With respect to improving voter services, we put in place the broadest range of services ever offered in any general election.

The vote on campus program was delivered for the first time outside a fixed-date election context. Despite the fact that the election coincided with the end of the spring semester, around 76,000 electors voted at 109 service points in 96 post-secondary institutions.

Early engagement with indigenous communities before the election also allowed Elections Canada to offer more flexible voting services to those who wanted such services, including in remote, isolated and low-density communities. Thanks to this engagement, advance voting services in communities increased by 127%, more than doubling, and election day services by 8%.

While we were able to better serve and collaborate with indigenous communities overall, a lack of engagement on our part in Nunavik led to operational challenges, and some electors were unable to cast their ballot as a result. This is clearly unacceptable. This is why I launched a fact-finding enquiry to determine exactly what went wrong so that we can address the shortfalls and make sure it does not happen again. The conclusions of the enquiry will be published later this fall. Our intention moving forward is to work with the communities and various organizations to better serve electors in Nunavik and all first nations, Inuit and Métis communities.

Overall, close to 20 million electors voted during the 45th general election, resulting in a voter turnout of 69%. This is the highest since 1993. Importantly, a record number of 8.8 million, or 44%, voted prior to election day. Of these, 7.5 million voted at advance polls and 1.2 million used a special ballot. In comparison, just 25 years ago, less than 7% of those who voted did so before election day. This ongoing trend shows a deep and lasting evolution in Canadians' voting behaviour and service expectations. It also puts enormous pressure on our infrastructure and, in particular, on our returning officers.

Any election is a major logistical undertaking and requires the coordinated efforts of an extraordinary number of people over an immense territory. It is done without any permanent infrastructure during a very short period and based on a calendar that is unknown ahead of time.

In a snap election context, with only 36 days, the ability of returning officers to secure polling sites, to recruit a sufficient number of poll workers, not just overall but in each and every community, and to offer a range of special voting services may have reached its limit. In some cases, these pressures may have also contributed to some of the issues we experienced with special ballot voting in a few electoral districts, which I mentioned in my report.

We are currently reviewing special ballot training, control mechanisms and processes to minimize the risk of errors, and we will implement changes in the coming months as we prepare for the next election, but it is important to also examine how we can adapt to the evolving needs and service expectations of Canadians, not just for the next election but for future ones as well.

As I indicated in my 2022 recommendations report, outside of a fixed-date election context, a short 36-day campaign may not be sufficient to meet those evolving service needs. Increasing early voting services, whether by adding advance polling days, as was contemplated in the last Parliament, or simply increasing service points within the same four advance polling days, as we did in this election, requires more lead time.

We have also been testing electronic lists of electors in by-elections and will continue to do so in order to modernize our processes and make them more efficient and flexible. The introduction of technology at the polls to serve electors, even as we maintain our paper ballot, needs to be gradual and prudent.

To conclude, Canada has a strong electoral process built on gradual change and adaptation. My report, as was the case with previous reports, is an opportunity to reflect on what adjustments are necessary to meet the evolving expectations of Canadians.

I look forward to answering members’ questions.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much.

Mr. Cooper, go ahead for six minutes, please.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Perrault and Mr. Roussel. It's good to see both of you back at the committee.

I'm going to ask Mr. Perrault some questions about the so-called longest ballot committee, which you reference in your report. In the last election, this group targeted the Carleton riding, although prior to the last election, they targeted several by-elections and then later targeted the Battle River—Crowfoot riding in the recent by-election, with a total of 91 candidates in Carleton and a record 203 candidates in Battle River—Crowfoot.

Would you agree, broadly speaking, that the committee's tactic of flooding the ballot with an endless list of candidates had an overall disruptive and negative impact on the electoral process in Carleton, in the prior by-elections and in Battle River—Crowfoot?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

Certainly, it did have such an impact and it was a challenge for a number of voters, especially those with disabilities, to be able to cast their ballots with such a long list of electors. That is why I have come to this committee in the past and recommended some changes to make sure this can be addressed.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

To flesh out some of the challenges that this committee created, you referred to voters with disabilities. That would include voters with visual impairments, mobility issues and literacy challenges. Would that be correct?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

That would include as well voters with dexterity issues. To handle such a large ballot, people who are physically impaired or who have limitations would also face a challenge.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

It negatively impacted voter autonomy. Is that correct?

11:15 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

That's what we found, yes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Further to that, in the Carleton riding, it resulted in longer lineups at the polls.

11:15 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

It certainly resulted in longer lineups and, of course, much longer processes to count the ballots, as we're aware. We had to advance the count for three hours for the advance polls during that day, and the count extended throughout the night.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

In the Battle River—Crowfoot riding, it necessitated the adoption of an adapted ballot and, I presume, that also created challenges for certain voters. Is that fair?

11:15 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

Certainly, for example, voters who use the Braille list to cast a ballot would have a different experience, so yes, it does create challenges. Electors with low literacy or people who have difficulty writing, manipulating a pen or a pencil, may find that to be challenging.

From my perspective, one important point is also the fact that it requires me to set aside the rules that Parliament has passed for the format of the ballot, and that's something, of course, that I had to do to make sure the election could proceed. However, as I said before at this committee, it's not something that I do lightly. That's why I hesitated before moving to a write-in ballot format, which is a greater variation from what is prescribed in the legislation.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

You mentioned that you had recommended some amendments to the Canada Elections Act. I know that, in September 2024, following disruptions that occurred in by-elections, you wrote to the then minister of democratic institutions, Dominic LeBlanc, to express your concerns about the impact of the longest ballot committee and propose an amendment to the Canada Elections Act.

Did you receive a response from the minister?

11:15 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

Mr. Chair, I'd just like to also mention that I shared, of course, that recommendation with the committee as well. It wasn't just to the minister.

In terms of a commitment to make the changes, I did not receive any commitment that they would make those changes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

That recommendation was what? Could you elaborate on that?

11:15 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

My recommendation was to ensure that the hundred signatures that are currently required—it's fewer for some of the remote ridings, the low-density ridings—be unique signatures. I believe that is the philosophy of the legislation, though not the letter: that a person who endorses the nomination of a candidate endorses the nomination of that particular candidate and not just any candidate, whoever that candidate may be. I believe that the approach of the longest ballot committee signatories is that they endorse anybody and everybody who wishes to be part of the long ballot initiative, so I don't think that's aligned with the spirit of the legislation.

I also caution, however, that, should it be implemented, the requirement to have unique signatures should be something that may carry a fine. For example, it could be a few hundred or a few thousand dollars, but it should not be cause to invalidate a nomination. The candidate, a good-faith candidate, would not know that somebody has signed on to somebody else's nomination paper. The last thing we would want is returning officers having to verify 100 signatures and to chase down the potential double signatures, which may be in good faith—they may be somebody who was confused, wanted to be supportive or didn't understand the rules. However, we certainly don't want a candidate nomination to be questioned just because one of the hundred names happened to be on somebody else's nomination paper as well.

My recommendation was that there be a prohibition on double signatures and a prohibition on inducing or encouraging people to do that, accompanied by sanctions—again, it could be a fine—but without such a rule invalidating the nomination of any candidate, unless the candidate did the inducing himself or herself.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you, Mr. Cooper.

Mr. Louis, go ahead for six minutes, please.

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Monsieur Perrault and Monsieur Roussel, for being here. I appreciate it.

Canadians want to thank you for the job you did in protecting our elections and, at the same time, thank the 230,000 people who stepped up to serve their country for elections, including the 343 electoral officers, who had that thankless job for which, if everything goes right, they are unnoticed, but if something goes wrong, they're on the front page. I just want to take this time to thank you also for a very thorough report on the election and for agreeing to be here today, because this is an ongoing issue on which we can always strive to be better. You're getting challenges that are changing constantly.

I want to touch base on maintaining electoral integrity and addressing disinformation. In your words, I believe you said that disinformation was the biggest threat. What specific disinformation narratives did Elections Canada encounter during the election, and how do you address something like that in real time? In your words, you had a month and change to address this. What are the challenges there, and what did you see as far as disinformation is concerned?

11:20 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

There were a number of narratives, and not necessarily surprising ones. We see similar narratives emerge in different jurisdictions, whether it's the U.K., the U.S. or Australia. They tend to circulate.

For instance, the very common one, and probably one of the most dominant ones, in this election was the idea that pencils were provided so that votes could be erased. Of course, that's not the reason pencils are provided; people can use a pen if they so wish. That is something that is entirely predictable. For these kinds of narratives, as we observe them around the world, we prepare and we provide resources. One of the resources was “ElectoFacts”, where we had a list of common false narratives or incorrect narratives with correct information on them. By preparing this in advance and by having a range of information on every aspect of the electoral process, we were ready to respond quickly to point people to the correct information.

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Great.

I was going to ask about ElectoFacts, and I'll tie that in. It was used to counter false claims. Was social media the way that disinformation was spread the most? Is that something you're monitoring as well and then addressing with ElectoFacts? Is that something you're looking at in between elections to get on top of whatever trends might be happening elsewhere?

11:20 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

We do monitor between elections across the electoral cycle, but not with the same size of team. In this election, for instance, we monitored some 60 platforms in 22 languages, so it is quite extensive during the election period. The number of languages and platforms is reduced between elections.

Obviously, Canadians are increasingly getting their information from social media, and that certainly contributes to the challenge of combatting disinformation about the electoral process.

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

I think we're on the same page, because my next question dovetails with that as well.

We're a multicultural nation, and there are, I believe you said, up to 60 digital platforms monitored in multiple languages. What are the extra challenges, and how do you decide how to reach out through various channels in various languages? How are those decisions made?