Evidence of meeting #15 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

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3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Mr. Komarnicki's question is important because it goes to the heart of the matter. Remember this is an exceptional circumstance. It is very rare that a company would shut down after a long dispute and that the workers would be entitled to EI benefits. Usually, the company shuts down before the dispute goes on for 52 weeks. The only case we found was this one, but you are right, it could apply to others.

It is a dispute that lasted three years. The order to shut down the company came after a three-year lock out. In January 2008, the employer decided to shut down. As a result, what both levels of government considered a lock out officially turned into a shutdown, and all the workers were laid off. So everyone wanted to collect EI, but the government would not let them because it had been more than 52 weeks since they had worked. It had been three years.

Normally, these people who had worked for 20, 30 or 40 years would have been entitled to EI if the company had shut down during the first 52 weeks of the dispute. They were denied benefits because the dispute went on so long. Now we are saying they should be entitled to receive EI. Witnesses wanted to know who would be entitled to EI.

Those who, for example, were absent, who were hired in the meantime or whatever the case may be, are they entitled to EI? These witnesses felt that clarification was necessary. They suggested that the bill indicate that these people must have been employed by the company in question during the last year preceding the beginning of the dispute. That is what the amendment says. These people must have been employed during the last year preceding the dispute, they must have worked during that period. In that case, they would be entitled to receive EI.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Just for one further point of clarification, are you meaning, then, that you could actually reach back beyond January 1, 2007, for determining the benefits?

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Yes. If the company had shut down during the first year of the dispute, workers would have been entitled to the number of benefit weeks equivalent to the period during which they worked. This dispute lasted more than 52 weeks. In the case of the prisoners, it was 104 weeks, I believe; they already have that right. Here we are saying that, in the event of a dispute, entitlement begins as soon as there is a dispute. Entitlement begins as soon as the company shuts down, in relation to the beginning of the labour dispute. It is as if the workers had been laid off the day before.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Is there any further discussion on the amendment? Everyone understands it?

All right.

Mr. Lessard moves to amend clause 1 by replacing line 19 on page 1 with the following:

the person was employed, provided that, for the purposes of determining the weekly rate of benefits, the qualifying period is established retrospectively to the fifty-two weeks preceding the beginning of the dispute

(Amendment agreed to)

(Clause 1 as amended agreed to)

(Clause 2 agreed to)

Shall the title carry?

3:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Shall the bill as amended be carried?

3:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Shall the chair report the bill as amended to the House?

3:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill as amended for the use of the House at report stage?

3:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you.

Now, pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, March 3, 2010, we will deal with Bill C-308, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act (improvement of the employment insurance system).

(On clause 1)

Shall clause 1 be carried?

Yes, Mr. Savage.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

This is just for a point of clarification, Madam Chair.

Maybe the clerk can confirm: the Speaker has confirmed that this requires a royal recommendation, this bill, correct?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Bill C-308? Yes.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

And maybe the parliamentary secretary will confirm that the government will grant one?

A yes or no will do.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Just a yes or no will do?

No.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Mr. Lessard.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

As a courtesy, I would like to hear what Mr. Komarnicki has to say about the matter, as parliamentary secretary.

Mr. Komarnicki no doubt heard the argument raised by one of the witnesses that the bill would not give rise to any additional costs because normally these people would have received benefits if the dispute had not gone on so long. I would like to hear what Mr. Komarnicki has to say about that just for the sake of clarity.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Well, if he so wishes, he could address it. However, right now we are not actually discussing that. We're going through the bill clause-by-clause.

Mr. Savage did have a question to see if it would royal assent.

It will require royal assent, so I don't believe this is the time when we should be having discussions as it pertains to that issue. I think we need to be going through this clause-by-clause. That discussion probably should have happened earlier on, as we were discussing the bill.

Shall clause 1 be carried?

All those in favour....

Mr. Lessard.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Madam Chair, you say that this discussion should have happened earlier on. I am not trying to get into a debate, but I think it would be enlightening for the committee to discuss the issue. If you say I can ask the question once we have finished with the clause by clause, I would like to get the answer here in committee.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

I appreciate that, and I think you're right; I'm trying to move us along in the agenda.

Maybe what we could do is move forward on this, and then possibly at the end of this portion of our meeting we could open it up for further discussion.

That would probably be a very good idea. Thank you.

Again, shall 1 be carried?

(Clause 1 agreed to)

(On clause 2)

Oui.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I just want to explain something, Madam Chair.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Yes.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I want to clarify something, if I may. The government temporarily set the insurable earnings amount at $43,200, and in the wording of the bill, it talks about $42,500. That amount is indexed. Currently, the amount is slightly higher. I think everyone understood.

That is all I wanted to say, Madam Chair. We can carry on.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Were you asking Mr. Komarnicki for clarification?