—and talk to them about it. It's a huge issue.
Supports to birth families are very important to keep those kids from coming into care. But I think we have to be realistic and look at the fact that the challenges that many of the families face are such that the kids may have to come into care for a time, and that we may need to look for more families. You should talk to some of the aboriginal and non-aboriginal child welfare agencies about this, I think.