Evidence of meeting #36 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was families.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kim Jones  As an Individual
Jennifer Haire  As an Individual
Jane Blannin-Bruleigh  Social Worker, As an Individual
Sandi Kowalko  As an Individual
Wesley Moore  As an Individual
Julia Alarie  As an Individual
Lauren Clemenger  As an Individual
Tracy Clemenger  As an Individual
Elspeth Ross  As an Individual

9:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Kim Jones

Not only attachment issues, but there are also sleep issues with children who are adopted because of the trauma, grief, transition. They had a past before they came to our house, and night terrors are very common in adopted children. They wake up in the middle of the night crying, screaming, flailing about, uncontrollable. It can go on for an hour, two hours sometimes with these children. There's no calming them down. So children are sleep-deprived, but parents are as well.

9:40 a.m.

Social Worker, As an Individual

Jane Blannin-Bruleigh

Just to add to that, our older daughter, who came at two and a half.... In order to attach she needed an adult to be there to attach with. So attachment.... Very much my focus was on what she needed to do, what we needed to do together, because she had all these developmental things to catch up with. She had serious night terrors, and they started about six weeks after she arrived. For ten months she never slept through the night. She would wake up screaming every single night. So there's no way I could have been working at a job at that point.

Also, when I look at all the enrichment she needed, that was my full-time job.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you, Mr. Watson. I'm sorry, that's your time.

I actually just have a very brief question, and then we'll dismiss these witnesses. We have four more coming in.

Ms. Jones, I think you referred to a program by the Adoption Council of Canada. You said it went for a short time and then the funding ran out. Can you just briefly tell us again what the program was, and are you aware if it was federal funding?

9:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Kim Jones

It was federal funding, yes. It was training we came to. It was in Toronto. Parent leaders from across Canada were invited to come and attend. It was two days of very extensive training, networking, how can we help our families so that we can go back into our communities and help these families.

Volunteers across Canada are the pulse of post-adoption support right now. We're really all that we have. This training was really beneficial for us.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Okay, good. I think it's good to know, and we should look into that a little more to see what that federal training program was and what it fell under, because there might have been some supports previously that maybe could be provided now at the federal level.

All right. I'm sorry we don't have time for another round of questions, but thank you so much. I think we all got a very good picture of what some of your experiences were and ways that hopefully we can help as a federal government. So thank you again.

I will suspend for just one minute and we'll have a change of witnesses.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Order. I'll just wait for the witnesses to take their seats and then we'll be ready to begin.

We're very pleased to have with us, for the second hour of our committee, Julia Alarie, Tracy Clemenger, Wesley Moore, and Elspeth Ross. Thank you all for being here.

If you were here for the first hour, you heard that each one of you would have about five to seven minutes to do a presentation. If you watch me, I'll let you know when you're getting to the end. We are pretty strict on our time requirements.

We look forward to hearing you.

We are really trying to stay focused on the federal support measures that can be provided to adoptive parents, so we would just ask all of you to try to stay in that purview, while at the same time letting us know what your experiences are and what the effect has been on you and your family.

We will begin with Mr. Moore, please.

9:50 a.m.

Wesley Moore As an Individual

Good morning. Bonjour, mesdames et messieurs.

First of all, I want to commend the committee for undertaking this study. As an adoptive parent, it's very heartening to see our Parliament and parliamentarians looking at such an important issue that affects, literally, the lives of thousands of Canadians, thousands of families. So thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

A quick story. My wife and I, in 2008, felt that we were called to adopt, not because of fertility issues, but we just felt it was something we were called to do. So we set out and began to research international adoptions. We researched Geneva Convention-compliant countries and adoption agencies that aligned with our philosophies, and as a result we decided to adopt with Mission of Tears, an organization based out of Toronto. In fall 2008 we enrolled with Mission of Tears and decided to adopt from South Africa.

To say that the adoption process is lengthy, intentional, and intrusive is an understatement. Most of it is provincially regulated, as you're all well aware, but it's long. It's a very intentional process, and it's, as I said, very intrusive.

We attended the PRIDE training that's mandated by the Ontario government--the Parent Resources for Information, Development, and Education program--decided on a homestudy, or an adoption practitioner, and completed our financial, psychological, and personal child welfare and criminal background checks just to make sure that we were good people and apt to kindly take care of a child.

In the summer 2009 we applied for phase one of the citizenship requirements, which we were told was going to take about seven weeks and which ended up taking about 12 weeks to confirm my wife's and my citizenship. Then we attended in Toronto cultural sensitivity training about raising an African child in a predominantly white family. In fall 2009 we received our phase one approvals as well as our Ontario provincial ministry approvals.

In October 2009 we received our file for our son, Sivuyile Dlamini, and I have to say that was one of the most profound and amazing moments of our lives, where in our hand we held the file of our soon-to-be son. Sivuyile, at the time, was just about three years old, so that was last October.

On November 2 we departed Ottawa and journeyed down to South Africa, to Durban. We met him on the fourth, in the morning, spent the first day with him, and then on November 5 we went to court and the court in South Africa declared us his parents. It was a moment I'll never forget—equivalent with the moment when we just had a biological child in November. Yes—one of those moments you'll never forget.

From November 6 to November 28 we awaited phase two of his citizenship, under the Bill C-14 process, and then also his temporary Canadian passport. On November 28 he flew home with his Canadian passport in hand, a little white temporary passport, and on the 29th he arrived home to grandparents who were eagerly awaiting his return.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Do you want to pass those around the room?

November 30th, 2010 / 9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Wesley Moore

Sure, I'd be happy to. Actually I have more photos, so I'd be happy to.

Very quickly, in terms of federal support, what I would advocate is that internationally adopted children should have identical legal standing as biological or domestically adopted children.

There are three things that I would hope to propose and recommend to you today. One is to increase the international adoption tax credit to a minimum of $20,000 from the current $10,000. This would more reflect the true cost of international adoption. They range from $20,000 to $50,000, depending on which country you're adopting from and which province you're adopting from.

Ensure that internationally adopted children have the same ability to pass on their Canadian citizenship as biological and domestically adopted children. For instance, we have now both an adopted child and a biological child. Should my biological child go abroad and have their own child or adopt, that child retains Canadian citizenship, whereas if my adopted child goes abroad, he can't pass on his citizenship. As a parent of both, I find it perplexing and concerning.

Third is--I know you've all heard it before--the extension of the EI benefits. As I heard notably before from Mr. Watson, actually I would advocate, instead of extending the parental benefits, that there be a certain set-aside for adoptive parents rather than extending the parental, so make them two separate....

In terms of how this goes, establishing fairness among Canadian parents and children, recognizing the true costs of international adoption to the average family.... I would just as an aside say that the costs of international adoption are prohibitive for a lot of average--as they were termed in the last U.S. election--Joe the plumber families. International adoptions aren't affordable for people. They can't do it, which is very unfortunate.

Citizenship and EI benefits should not be dependent on the location of your child's birth. International adoption is a means of addressing Canada's demographic challenges while ensuring Canadians are brought up in Canadian values.

Thank you very much for your time. I look forward to your questions.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you very much.

We'll now go to Ms. Alarie, please.

9:55 a.m.

Julia Alarie As an Individual

I'd also like to thank this committee for taking time to study support measures for adoptive parents.

My partner and I, both women, were legally married in 2005. Adoption was and remains the only way we could simultaneously be conferred equal parental rights in the creation of our family.

In 2006 we initiated a child-specific adoption in Ontario through Ottawa's Children's Aid Society for a pair of siblings, ages nine and eleven. Our children were placed with us in February 2007 and their adoption was finalized one year later.

My partner is due to give birth in April to a biological child that we conceived through a home insemination using semen from a known donor. I raise this because after she is born I will be pursuing a second parent adoption in order to be legally acknowledged as our daughter's parent.

My partner also was trained through the Adoption Council of Canada's program, and we co-founded the only post-adoption support group for LGBTQ families in Ottawa. Despite the loss of funding, we continue to run that support as volunteers in the community.

When our current children came to live with us, one had significant behavioural needs that eventually required placement in a year-long behavioural and academic intervention program. Both required intensive support and learning and were barely literate, despite being extremely intelligent. My son could add six rows of seven-digit numbers in his head, but at nine years old had not learned yet how to read the word “dog”.

Each received counselling to work through the instability, hurt, profound loss, and rejection they had experienced in their short lives. And when asked independently what they both needed to be happy in our family, they each used the word “security”, not “love”. They just wanted to know we weren't going--

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Could you just slow down slightly so the translators can keep up with you? Thank you.

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Julia Alarie

Sure, no problem.

When asked independently about what they needed to be happy in our family, they each used the word “security”. They didn't want love, they just wanted to know we weren't going to return them. Our focus, then, was on helping them build lasting attachments within our family and learn how to foster healthy, nurturing relationships with other people. Four years later, they are thriving, they are loved, they are secure, and my son read his first chapter book last week.

The support we received from the federal government was limited to the employment insurance benefits that enabled my partner to take a 32-week parental leave at the time of adoption. We do not believe we received the same supports as those available to biological parents, which I will go on to explain. To that question, I've had much time to consider it from the standpoint of an adoptive parent of older children as well as a member of the LGBTQ community.

I offer the following recommendations in response to the question.

First, broaden the federal tax credit for adoptive families. Canadians are currently able to claim the federal tax credit, but I would like the federal government to consider extending the list of eligible expenses allowed by the Canada Revenue Agency for the adoption credit to include reasonable and necessary expenses incurred by parents in obtaining post-adoption support services for older children, such as psychological counselling, court costs, and legal and administrative expenses related to second-parent adoptions.

My second recommendation is that the federal government intervene to fund post-adoption support services for adoptive parents. Once a child is placed under adoption, support at the provincial level stops, as these services fall outside the mandates of children's aid societies. There must be funding to create services that will provide post-adoption support to adoptive parents and their adopted children to successfully transition into a family. Without these supports to families, adoptions are at risk of being disrupted early on and children are at risk of returning to public care. For older children this is especially dangerous, as their chances of adoption are diminished well before a disrupted placement. Of the three families our social worker was overseeing at the time our kids were placed with us, our adoption was the only one that was not disrupted.

My third recommendation is to expand the definition of “disability” and to broaden that definition under CRA guidelines to better encompass the needs of substance-exposed kids, as our publicly adopted children are significantly more at risk. As you've heard from many others, to amend the employment insurance benefits to increase the duration of parental leave, this will support, particularly in the adoption of older children, the significant coordination of services that's required as we transition them into a family and often into new schools and entirely new social circles. It will help parents who are coping with post-adoption depression; it will help cope with the sleeplessness you've heard of. My son, for example, did not sleep for the first two years he was with us, and it took a year before he was sleeping four hours through the night.

So our opportunities to nurture, attach to, and secure support for adopted children early on are critically important to their later success. And I don't necessarily expect to personally have parity with a biological mother and employment benefits, but I do expect that my adopted children, regardless of age, have the same chances to be mothered or fathered, or simply parented in their first year with a family, as they would have experienced if not for the misfortunes of their circumstances.

My fifth recommendation is to eliminate the ability of provinces or territories to discriminate against LGBTQ parents and adoption and to enact legislation that stops any province or territory from refusing prospective adoptive parents for reasons of gender identity or sexual orientation. We must have national uniformity on this issue.

My last recommendation is that the federal government must intervene to resolve the challenges of interprovincial adoption. First, if a family is considered to be approved for adoption in one province, they should be able to move to a different province or territory without having to restart the entire process. The current process is an unnecessary waste of public resources and delays children in leaving care for adoption into permanent homes. Second, the federal government should establish a national databank to assist with interprovincial matching so that children can receive the best possible placements for their situation. This means that a child in one province could be adopted into a family in a different province or territory if that family were the best match. This is particularly relevant to provide permanency to children and youth who are marginalized within the foster care system, such as those who identify as LGBTQ, especially transgendered youth.

Thank you.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you very much, Ms. Alarie. You spoke quickly, but you got a lot of information out, and that was great.

We'll now go to Ms. Clemenger.

Last week I thought we had broken the record for the youngest witness because we had an 11-year-old witness. But I think today we actually have a new record-breaker, because we have Lauren with us.

Lauren, you're nine years old. Is that right?

10 a.m.

Lauren Clemenger As an Individual

Ten.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Ten. You just had a birthday last week?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Lauren Clemenger

In October.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Okay, so you're ten.

Well, welcome here. We're really happy to have you.

We will give Tracy and Lauren seven minutes, please.

10 a.m.

Tracy Clemenger As an Individual

Thank you.

Madame Chair, members of the committee, I want to thank you for inviting me. I am very excited to be here.

I have a vision for Canada's waiting children.

As background, hopefully you have in both official languages the first national magazine to tackle the issue. I co-wrote the cover story concerning Canada's 30,000 adoptable children. My comments are based on a more lengthy text with detailed recommendations, which I have already tabled with the clerk.

After years of investigation and talking with those working on children's welfare, I can say that those who are living the adoption journey are excited about this study—and yet at the same time, they aren't waiting for government to fix the big problems. My maxim is “No childhood can wait for the big problems to be fixed”. So part of my post-adoption supports project is voluntary in nature and includes mobilizing ordinary Canadians now, with the primary goal of filling some very basic gaps at ground zero in educational awareness and recruitment.

That being said, the government is not off the hook. Part of my post-adoption support activity has been in research as well. Public agencies, provincial commissioners, researchers, and those working in children's welfare will by and large admit a need for a national vision, a national study, and a national action plan coordinated at all levels of government. Indeed, the Senate has been calling for a national children's commissioner for three years now.

What I learned as a citizen, as an academic, as a researcher on Parliament Hill, and since becoming a mom is that when it comes to decision-making, it's not the quantity of information that matters but the quality. This is very important to Canada's 30,000 children and the thousands of other children in government care who are your constituents. But they are the voiceless constituents you have, dependent on others to empower them. My definition of being an adoptive mom is about the empowerment of all children, and not just my own. This is what I mean by the phrase “adoption-savvy parenting”.

Parenting at ground zero didn't mean simply the discovery of a complete vacuum of healthy resources and education, but also that there wasn't accurate national information on domestic adoption. I was shocked at what I found. I wanted to know if MPs were at least being briefed by the bureaucracy on simple questions. When I started my investigation there were an estimated 18,000 children waiting. In five years it has morphed into 30,000, and that is proportionately 260% higher than in the U.S. That is why those in the field use the language of “crisis”.

If you were given the file called adoption in Canada or child welfare in Canada, you would quickly learn there is no one place to go within the civil service to get simple questions answered about Canadian children. How many children are in government care? How many are in foster care? How many are available for adoption? How many boys are there, and how many girls?

To get national information, you would have to go to a fast-food chain restaurant. Most NGOs are relying on the Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption to gain a national perspective on adoption in Canada, and they are not necessarily tracking post-adoption supports. This foundation is a laudable effort by its founder, and an adoptee, Dave Thomas, but it also tells us about how we are measuring up in our priorities and planning at a federal level.

Federal MPs or Canadians cannot obtain accurate national information because there are—and are you guys ready for this?—no national standards on how we describe a child or universality in that description. How a child is defined differs from province to province, as do the definitions of special needs and what is old—for starters.

There are no national standards on portability. It's been said many times that an adoptable child and an adopt-ready family face what some have called a “bureaucratic nightmare”, going from province to province, and even, in some cases, county to county.

There are no national standards for services. We have a piecemeal, patchwork quilt of regional agencies working independently and as hard as they can. From what I can tell, not all have new acts or commissioners, nor is there any consistent agreement in their action plans.

In terms of accessibility, a child at age 16 in one province or territory does not qualify for services granted to a child at age 18 in another province or territory. Without national standards, we create and condone an un-level playing field at ground zero for children.

In terms of administration and funding, there is no standard reporting of the total cost of keeping a child in care, and no estimate of the social and financial costs of the failure to provide stable and nurturing homes to children. Ask me sometime about my conversation with the Auditor General's office on this.

To help you understand just how fragmented the picture is, I decided to do an access-to-information experiment. We loved doing them when we were on the Hill. I asked your very own human resources committee for access to specific and relevant information from the HRSD briefing manual that is given to ministers when they assume their position. I asked them some simple questions. For the sake of time, ask me what happened.

I was then sent to Health Canada to get my simple questions answered. I went to six provinces. Some had the information, and the most disturbing response eventually came back from Alberta. Canada's most vulnerable children tell us a lot about how we are measuring up as a society. They tell us about unemployment, finance, dignity, human rights, citizenship and immigration, public services, poverty and homelessness, and the decline of parenting skills and education. They are the tip of the iceberg of a lot of social issues going on right now.

Canada's children are not one of Canada's top domestic priorities for information gathering. I believe we can do better. It's going to take all of us to get Canadian children home and to level the playing field for all kids.

10:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Lauren Clemenger

My name is Lauren Clemenger. I am ten years old. I am adopted and I am proud of it.

The first time I heard negative things about adoption was in kindergarten. I didn't bother telling them I was adopted. I didn't feel like it, but I did feel sorry for them.

My sister came home when I was in grade three. The children asked the teacher at circle time what adoption was. Angus said he had adopted a turtle from the zoo in Georgia and someone else said it's about cleaning up ditches. My friend Camden said adoption was special and only about children. Everyone was so excited to meet Kate, so I finally told my friends I was adopted too. When the children asked the teacher to tell them which answer was correct, she said nothing. She didn't say that paying money to feed turtles was really called sponsorship and cleaning up ditches was about caring for the environment.

I did feel sad that day, because she didn't tell the truth. The kids said Camden and I didn't know anything about adoption. That's when the bullying started for both of us. From then on, we were supposedly the dumb ones about adoption and many other issues as well. I did have one friend ask my parents if they would adopt her. She's a latchkey kid. What I learned that day is that schools need healthy books explaining adoption.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

That was very good. Thank you so much, Lauren.

I don't know about the other members around this committee table, but it's a little hard to keep a dry eye today.

Thank you again. That was really good.

Ms. Ross.

10:10 a.m.

Elspeth Ross As an Individual

My name is Elspeth Ross. I am an adoptive parent and educator in adoption permanency and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder from Rockland, Ontario. My husband is here with me today. I speak to you for our family and many others about my family and work, what's wrong with adoption, the federal government's support for adoption, and citizenship and adoption: the two routes and deportation.

My husband and I adopted our children, who are Cree and Saulteaux, from Saskatchewan, the first one in 1981, when we lived in Aylmer, Quebec, the others in Ontario. They came at the ages of 19 months, three and a half years, and eleven years, and are now 31, 28, and 34. For the past five years we have been parenting our daughter's son, now age 12, in a kinship-care arrangement. All came with special needs. Our boys were affected by alcohol before birth. Our grandson suffers from trauma and anxiety, and keeps getting suspended from school. The boys are doing well. Both graduated from high school and one from college; both work seasonally and live together in our lower house. They are also connected to their birth families. I still take them to the doctor and help with food shopping, even though they are in their thirties.

We were told in 1981, when our first son came, that he was fetal-alcohol-affected, and we were advised to get whatever help we could. This paid off. Most families are not so well informed. Our children and grandson were moved around within, and in and out of, their birth families and within foster care. We are still struggling with the impact, which shows itself in attachment, behaviour, and school problems. We got support from support groups—

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

You're going to have to slow down just a little for our translators.

10:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Elspeth Ross

We got support from support groups, the Open Door Society and NACAC, North American Council on Adoptable Children, and on the web. The Wabano Centre for Aboriginal Health helps with our grandson now. Health Canada's non-insured health benefits for first nations and Inuit health also helps, with the added benefit of making our kids feel they belong to first nations.

I have worked for the Adoption Council of Canada since 1991, when it began, as staff, as board member, and volunteer researcher. I currently provide a current awareness service on the ACC's listserv, but I work more actively in FASD, sending e-mails on international listservs, running a support group at CHEO, and serving on committees.

What's wrong in Canadian adoption? If there were recruitment, training, and support, 30,000 children in the child welfare system could potentially be available for adoption. They move in and out of foster care, group homes, change workers, and age out of the system to apartments on their own.

We need a paradigm shift to believe that adoption works, and a vision to make it happen, but the provinces aren't acting. Ontario hasn't moved to do anything about the implementation of recommendations from a panel last August, and it's strange that child welfare associations don't really talk adoption. An adoption conference last year brought experts from Australia and Ireland to talk permanency, but never mentioned the word “adoption” at all.

Yes, people will adopt older kids and stick with it, just as people come home from eastern Europe with children very much like those here. It's easier to adopt internationally than domestically. Some jurisdictions don't do adoption at all. Adoptive families need information and education, support and understanding, services and referrals, and many need financial help. Both domestic and international adoptive families are struggling with mental health problems. It's hard. It's estimated that 70% of Canadian children affected by FASD are not living with their birth family, but with foster, adoptive, and kin parents. Adoptive families could make a huge difference in raising children with disabilities such as FASD.

I've provided a list, a bibliography that gives you information on that, a professor doing research.

We know little about adoption in Canada, and that's—

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Ms. Ross, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I have your presentation. It's not in both languages, but I think what we might do, because probably you won't be able to get through the whole—