Evidence of meeting #41 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.
A recording is available from Parliament.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
All right. Is there any other comment?
Go ahead, Mr. Komarnicki.
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Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
I have a question to Mr. Lessard. Does the way his motion reads mean that you could not make a report to the House until the other reports were done?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
No. We could make our report, and once the other reports are tabled, they would be appended to our report.
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Conservative
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Conservative
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Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
You would refer to a report that doesn't yet exist?
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
No, we wouldn't, but then we would maybe have to hold up the....
What's the timeframe? We have a timeframe problem, because we're going to be sitting on this report.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
If you mention something, it has to exist. I mean, it's not complicated, Michael. If you're referencing something, it has to exist, so you'll have to hold this report until it exists.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
To answer your question, Mr. Komarnicki, we will not be holding up our report based on whatever may or may not be tabled by other committees in the House of Commons. Whatever we decide, once we complete our long-form census report and are ready to table it, we will append whatever has been tabled already. If for some reason there are not any other reports tabled, then they won't be appended.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
With deference to whoever is making those decisions, I don't understand Mr. Lessard's motion to read that way. If you read his motion, it says that those reports need to be referenced in an appendix. Until they exist, they can't be referenced in an appendix, nor can you proceed without them, in my view.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
Mr. Savage's motion is different, but Mr. Lessard's motion is very inconsistent. They are different motions, totally.
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Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
If you're going to support Mr. Lessard's motion, you need to know that you have to wait for the other reports to come in.
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Conservative
Maurice Vellacott Conservative Saskatoon—Wanuskewin, SK
Mike's doesn't necessarily assume other reports, but his does.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
Right. Yes, we're on our amendment, so we'll just wait.
Go ahead, Mr. Lessard.
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Bloc
Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC
Madam Chair, I was careful to indicate it every time I was using exactly the same wording as our colleague, Mr. Savage. It's important to take the time to read the beginning. Unless I don't have the same wording in French, which I doubt, it reads as follows:
[…] the reports of other committees which are tabled with regard to the impact of the changes to the long-form census […] be mentioned in an appendix to the final report of the committee.
So, when we produce our report, we will append the reports of other committees to complement what we have done. I don't know whether someone attributes a different meaning to those words, but that is what it says. I certainly don't give them any other meaning. I'm basing myself on exactly what Mr. Savage said.
Rather than relying on a paper copy of all this, we would create a reference, so that people are able to access the studies done in other committees. I don't think it could be any clearer than that, unless we want to complicate things.
12:50 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
Can we vote on the amendment? Are we ready to vote on Mr. Lessard's amendment?
All those in favour of the--
12:50 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen
Do you want a recorded vote again? All right. We will have a recorded vote on the amendment of Mr. Lessard.
(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2)
The amendment is not accepted.
We are now dealing with the motion as it was presented by Mr. Savage.
Is there any discussion on the motion?
Go ahead, Monsieur Lessard.
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Bloc
Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC
I would just like to issue a reminder to our Liberal colleagues, and particularly Mr. Savage, who tabled the motion.
Does this mean there would be a paper copy of each of the reports appended to the committee report? If that's is the case, I would respectfully submit that this is contrary to the commitments made by each of the parties with respect to new environmental policies. That includes the use of paper. Including references is extremely easy to do using new technologies.
