Yes, and it depends. In fact, even two of us starting at the same age may have very different pension expectations as well. I'm a former member of the Canadian Armed Forces, so I have almost 10 years of pensionable service in the Canadian Armed Forces, which I have been allowed to repurchase at Air Canada. So my pension expectations would be different from an individual who was not in that position.
We can't very well legislate the age at which Air Canada must hire a pilot. We all start at different ages. Age itself is not discriminatory; it happens to all of us. It's very difficult to put a finger on that. But these are terms and conditions of employment. One freely agrees that when they join Air Canada these are the terms that will govern.
It's interesting that certain members who have realized the full benefit of all those provisions that we've negotiated seek now, only at the ultimate moment, to change them.