Mr. Lessard, I'm sorry, your time is up.
Before I go to Mr. Martin, I just want to remind all committee members that this is a really important study we're undertaking. Witnesses have come in, and they're here to answer our questions. I would ask that, on both sides, we all keep our talking and discussion down to a minimum, if we could, including with our staff. We'd all appreciate that.
We'll go to Mr. Martin.