I think it's an important number and you did make the point in your presentation, Ms. Keenan, that in the lower Mattagami project it's largely entry-level jobs. I used to be the aboriginal affairs critic for the NDP, so I spent five years on this file. One of the things that we fairly consistently heard from first nations was that they were always employed in the entry-level programs, and that often there weren't any mentoring and support programs to allow them to move into the skilled trades areas, middle management, or supervisory positions.
You're absolutely correct. If you can't graduate people from grade 12, you can't get them into these other areas. There's no question about that.
Aside from the trades area, do either of your companies have programs to take people into middle management?