In my remarks I alluded to the fact that we're going to have a pilot shortage, because the pay and the employment opportunities are just not there anymore, and until those get corrected.... It's a significant investment. You either have to join the air force and invest your time in a career for 15 or 20 years, or you have to spend years and years and years flying in the bush. You have to pay a lot of money yourself to get trained. It's a huge investment, and unless you're sure that investment is going to produce a career.... A lot of us do it for passion. A lot of us do it for a career. You're lucky if, like me, you do it for both, but there is a significant investment and there is just not enough incentive these days for young Canadians to start flying when they see the downward pressure on wages, pensions, other benefits of being employed with, say, a legacy carrier.
Our defined benefit pension for pilots is gone. It no longer exists. That's an indicator. Why would you get into this profession without those kinds of benefits that generations before have benefited from? We're concerned about that. We really are. I seriously think that until the pay and benefits improve—it's the old supply and demand situation—to incite young Canadians to want to get into that profession, you'll get those who have the passion, but otherwise we're going to have an issue.