Data is, I think, absolutely critical. To know if they're going to be effective or not, we're going to need substantial data. That means, obviously, far more than counting bums in seats. It means actually using statistics from organizations like Stats Canada, being able to attach those to projects, trying to evaluate the outcomes of things like recidivism within the larger context of other factors happening within society. This requires, I think, some significant type of investment, in terms of the analysis and the importance of evidence-based data. That is a challenge with SIBs, but I think it's a challenge more generally in terms of evaluating the outcomes of programs.
