I guess really my point is that I don't think a top-down approach works well. I think if we're really going to shift culture, it's everyday people at the grassroots level whom we have to impact. I guess that's just my question. I just don't see how effective, tangible, real change is going to happen today by doing all these consultations and all these reports that are projected for years down the road.
On October 2nd, 2018. See this statement in context.