Evidence of meeting #124 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Vice-Chair  Mr. John Barlow (Foothills, CPC)
Kerry Diotte  Edmonton Griesbach, CPC
Gordie Hogg  South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.
James Van Raalte  Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

May I move another amendment?

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Yes.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

It's that Bill C-81, in clause 207, be amended by replacing lines 28 and 29 on page 301 with the following, “206, come into force on the 30th day after the day on which this Act receives royal assent.”

Again, the current coming into force provision does not require the government to act. Additionally, if the clause is left as is, according to the Statutes Repeal Act, this act would be automatically repealed within 10 years of receiving royal assent.

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Mr. Hogg.

12:30 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

Can we ask Mr. Van Raalte what the practices normally are in these instances in terms of the dates coming into effect and whether there's a rationale for this?

12:30 p.m.

Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development

James Van Raalte

There are a range of practices. Some pieces of legislation are left to the discretion of the Governor in Council. Some pieces of legislation have different coming into force dates for different sections, depending on the requirements.

12:30 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

That will remain silent on it now?

12:30 p.m.

Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development

James Van Raalte

The Governor in Council will come forward with a coming into force date.

12:30 p.m.

South Surrey—White Rock, Lib.

Gordie Hogg

Make a determination, thank you.

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Ms. Hardcastle.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Further to that, is there a timeline when the Governor in Council does bring forward that timeline or that date? Do we have that, then?

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

No, as the bill sits now, my understanding is there is no timeline.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Right, that's how I understand it too, but we just heard in an explanation that this was going to be provided later, a timeline.

Is that not what you just said, Mr. Van Raalte, that a timeline would be provided later?

12:30 p.m.

Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development

James Van Raalte

The Governor in Council will have to come forward, publish through the Canada Gazette, with the coming into force date.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

There is no requirement right now. Nothing changes. That explanation doesn't change our situation at all. We still have nothing. We still don't have any dates for anything required.

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Ms. Hardcastle, as it sits now, the bill will sunset in 10 years if there are no steps taken or regulations or anything in force. However, from Mr. Van Raalte, that possibly could change.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Okay, that's all. I wanted to make sure we heard.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

We request a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:30 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Ms. Falk.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

We believe that clause 207 in Bill C-81 should be voted down. We have tried to improve it, through a few amendments here, and that didn't work so we weren't able to improve it. Again, the current coming into force provision does not require the government to act. Additionally, if the clause is left as is, according to the Statutes Repeal Act this act would be automatically repealed within 10 years of receiving royal assent.

12:35 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

It will be a recorded vote.

(Clause 207 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 3)

12:35 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

Yes, Mr. Long.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

I'd like to ask my colleagues if we could get unanimous consent for a subamendment to LIB-19, which we missed earlier, just for consistency.

12:35 p.m.

A voice

No.

12:35 p.m.

The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow

We will move on to the preamble. We had a couple of amendments proposed earlier in the process last night that were withdrawn, dealing specifically with the interpretation of indigenous peoples of Canada. That was LIB-3, so it was very early on in the process.

We have two proposed amendments as part of the preamble, LIB-69 and CPC-58, but they are deemed to be inadmissible because they deal with the preamble but there is no coordinating part of the bill itself. You can't have something in the preamble that doesn't have a coordinating portion or amendment within the bill itself.

Does anybody need any additional clarification on that?

Mr. Morrissey.