That's good to know. Thanks.
Mr. Stapleton, it was a great presentation. I read it out of interest again. You were 28 years in social assistance policy and operations with the Province of Ontario. Again, I say this every time we speak at this committee. We're here to help our department, Minister Jean-Yves Duclos especially, come up with a national poverty reduction strategy, and to aid him in helping those in need.
Mr. Stapleton, can you give me some insight as to what plans and policies are effective at reducing poverty from a government perspective? What have you seen?