Human Resources Committee on April 18th, 2016

[Dan Ruimy, Liberal, Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC]

It's actually a lot more than 82 pages.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

I don't see that it's red tape. It's interesting that the minister was presented this same prop, and then she was asked, so what are you proposing, Minister? Are you proposing this? In the United States we know that unions are not burdened with this as a requirement down there. Unions are still able to function, so we said, are you looking for something more reasonable then, or are you absolutely eliminating all transparency, all accountability, and that's what the plan is? It's not that. It's not something less that's reasonable. It's nothing—zero transparency, zero accountability. It's not a good example of where Canada is.

Mr. Hynes, you said you supported the transparency of Bill C-525, and that was the secret ballot. I think that for Mr. Kelly it's the same thing. You didn't support the process, but you supported the outcome.

Given the lack of transparency that's being proposed and the lack of secret ballot, which is a fundamental tenet of democracy, then what is the motive? If this is good what we have for our country, what is pushing the Liberal government to go in this direction? Do you have any input on what might be the motivation? Whose back is getting scratched here?

[Daniel Kelly]

Look, I often get shot political questions, and I have to say I am not a politician so I don't answer political questions.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

That's a good answer. Let's wrap up on that, if that's okay.

[Wayne Long, Liberal, Saint John—Rothesay, NB]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

To the member opposite, we do have disclosure. I just want to quote this for the record.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

Is this a point or order or debate?

[Wayne Long, Liberal, Saint John—Rothesay, NB]

It's a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

It sounds like debate.

[Bob Zimmer, Conservative, Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC]

They've already taken enough time, Chair.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

They took my time.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

Yes. Let's break, guys. We have to set up for the next panel because we have several video conferences. I do apologize.

I just want to very briefly thank Mr. Hynes, Mr. Fanelli, and Mr. Kelly for joining us again today. Obviously we could have used more time, but thank you all for being here.

We will recess for a very brief technical set-up.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

All right. There's a point of order.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

Chair, on a point of order, I'm wondering which clock we're using for record keeping.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

I have both a clock here as well as on the wall.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

Which clock are you using?

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

We have a time clock, actually, right here as well, so that's what we're using.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

So you're saying you have multiple clocks. Which time are you using?

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

This is the timer the clerk is using to write down the times.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

For the time that the meeting begins and ends, or is that the time the speaker, the member of this committee, is being given?

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

This is a stopwatch, yes, and we're wasting time right now, I think.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

No, I think this is a point of order and it's very important.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

Okay. Please.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

You can't use a stopwatch for when the meeting starts and when the meeting stops.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bryan May]

We have a clock right there, which is in line with my phone as well.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley—Aldergrove, BC]

Perfect, and I have a BlackBerry, similar to you, and I believe it's very similar to the clock that's on the wall. The fact is, that clock on the wall is—