Evidence of meeting #22 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was young.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Steve Cordes  Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited
Bernard Racicot  Coordinator, Maison des jeunes des Basses-Laurentides
Owen Charters  President and Chief Executive Officer, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada
Isaac Fraser-Dableh  Member, National Youth Council, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada
Nora Spinks  President and Chief Executive Officer, Vanier Institute of the Family

2:50 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you, Mr. Cordes.

I just want to build on this question. One of the issues that I know, certainly in my own community.... In fact there are two paramount issues. One is the lack of safe, secure and affordable housing, and particularly for youth it's very difficult. They try to get an apartment, notwithstanding that rent is really high and the vacancy rate is low, but when people see a young person come to the door, they have all kinds of reasons to not offer the unit, truth be told. That's the reality they face. Then whenever governments, like our provincial government here in British Columbia, build a housing project dedicated to young people, it just fills up, just like that.

With regard to safe, secure, affordable housing for young people, what action needs to be taken up by the federal government?

2:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

It would be the investments in affordable housing, period. Last year we had 30 affordable housing units. By the time we're done the few projects we have on the go, we'll have 101. It's not just the number of apartments that becomes community changing; it's the partnerships that are part of that. We're creating within Joan's Place, which is the next one we're about to develop, 35 apartments but also two floors of what will be a youth wellness hub. There will be on-site delivery from justice. There will actually be a court hearing room. We just signed an agreement with the Province of Ontario around that, so youth court will be in this building. CMHA will be in this building. Our local school board will be there with an alternative education centre.

Our great success has been that we've raised $7 million towards this. Our great detriment is that we need another $10 million.

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Have you made an application to the federal government for this?

2:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

Yes, we're working with CMHC.

One of our challenges in terms of affordability is that we try to keep our housing units at the rate where they're matched roughly to what social income support would be, so around $560 for a family. That's very, very deeply affordable. Our challenge is that we can't afford to carry a lot of debt and make that work. Typically CMHC funding goes up to a platform, but then you have to carry debt. It's very affordable debt, but it's still debt, and it makes us charge more for apartments than we would like to charge. That's the thought.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Ms. Kwan.

Thank you, Mr. Cordes.

Next we're going to go to Ms. Falk.

Go ahead, please, for five minutes.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you.

I would also like to thank both of the witnesses for your testimonies today and for the valuable work that both of your organizations do.

We know that job creation and job security are going to be integral to a successful economic restart. Some businesses, we know, have been able to weather the pandemic and some businesses have weathered it with the help of the emergency government programs that have been offered. Unfortunately we also know that some businesses haven't and that others are on the brink of permanently closing and others have had to restructure completely.

My first question is for Steve Cordes with Youth Opportunities Unlimited. Connecting at-risk youth to employment opportunities is very valuable on the individual level, and also we know that it benefits society as a whole. I did have an opportunity this morning to look at the letter from Samuel that you shared with the committee. It's certainly a testament to how empowering a job opportunity is but also to how empowering people can be when we take the time to listen and to help others one on one, and that comes from taking the time to genuinely listen and grow a rapport with them. Frankly, it comes down to caring. It's important that youth job opportunities continue to be available and accessible.

I'm just wondering, in your view, what the greatest barriers facing at-risk youth seeking employment are and whether the pandemic has changed these barriers.

2:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

I think there are a couple. One is that young people—not as a whole, but many young people—don't see themselves as employable. Therefore, they opt to remove themselves from the job market.

Our platform around social enterprise—and again Youth Opportunities Unlimited is a national platform—delivers in many communities across Canada. A social enterprise platform, when it's used as a training vehicle, can be game changing for those folks, because it takes them away from having to demonstrate how they're going to help a company make money and fit into a game that they don't necessarily know how to play, and allows them to learn about their passions, their hopes and their sense of what they enjoy. I think when we serve sometimes vulnerable or marginalized youth, we forget that as much as the great programs are there for them and the employment opportunities can be there for them, those still have to be connected to their dreams and their hopes for themselves.

“Any job is a good job” and so on is true in a lot of cases, but they need to see that, and it can't just be lectured to them. They have to start feeling as though that's part of it, because starting a new job can be really scary if you've never worked before. The social enterprise platform allows for that and allows them to start seeing that they are part of this economy and that there are next steps for them. The success rates of those programs for us are just phenomenal. Typically the most marginalized populations we serve are the ones who do exceptionally well at that. They excel because of the confidence, and Sam's letter is a testament to that.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

I think it definitely comes down to that one on one. When you read Sam's letter, he didn't feel valued. With having people take that opportunity and that time to sow into somebody and speak those words of affirmation and give them the opportunity to try, things can change.

I have another question for you.

This committee in particular has heard testimony from other witnesses who have talked about some businesses moving toward permanent remote structures. I'm wondering how this would change the work you are doing and how the change would impact at-risk youth.

3 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

There can be some pretty significant negative impacts on that. Our experience is that their networks tend not to be very supportive of their long-term growth and long-term inclusion in a community.

As I talked about earlier, you could be the one fish that's swimming upstream when all your friends are going downstream, and it's really hard to keep swimming upstream. If everything is online, including jobs—remote in the way that a lot of things are virtual now—and that stays that way for this population, they'll not have that opportunity to experience a sense of community, where they feel they've landed somewhere that feels good and that reinforces the behaviours they want to develop. If everything remains virtual, it's very hard for them to develop that sense, that community or communal experience.

I think there's some risk there, for sure. If we're going to lose some of that personal contact, the challenge will be how we maintain whatever limited contact there is that is engaging and incredibly important.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Mrs. Falk. Thank you, Mr. Cordes.

The last questioner for this panel will be Mr. Housefather.

Mr. Housefather, please, you have five minutes.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank both witnesses for the excellent work your organizations are doing in your communities. I very much appreciate it.

I'm going to get to a couple of questions for both witnesses.

I'll start with Mr. Cordes, because I'm on the English channel.

Mr. Cordes, my colleague Kate Young very much wanted to be here today. She wanted me to express her appreciation for the great work you do and to ask a question about whether you have seen a change in mental health or issues with respect to greater homelessness during the COVID pandemic.

I heard you answer Ryan's question already with respect to the five suicides and the added impact on mental health, but could you tell me about the added impact on homelessness?

The second question I have for you—I'll let you both answer—is this. Could you let me know if your organization has benefited from any of the COVID-related federal programs? Are you using the wage subsidy? Are you using the rental subsidy at all?

3 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

On the impact on homelessness...absolutely.

For example, I think about our existing youth shelter. YOU is about to open up our own shelter, but the Salvation Army in the city of London has some youth beds. Their experience has been that since COVID, young people are sleeping rough outside rather than going into that shelter these days. That creates more risk, a lot of behaviours like drug addiction issues, trauma, being taken advantage of. We're certainly seeing more young people who have experienced trafficking.

We have staff who are dedicated to anti-human trafficking. We have two and a half staff dedicated to that initiative. We would expect to see a fair number of people who, unfortunately, have experienced that. The difficulty now is that with fewer housing options available, fewer support options available, it's harder to get out of that. We're finding that becomes more embedded in people's experiences. That's certainly an area of concern for us.

With regard to homelessness, we're seeing more young people sleeping rough.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

My other question was about whether you have benefited from any of the government programs during the course of the pandemic.

3:05 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

We're still exploring the wage subsidy.

I know there was an announcement last week around the 30% platform. We've lost significant earned revenue, but our government revenue, in the short term, has not dropped significantly. We're not quite at the 30%, so—

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

But you know you have the option.... I don't know enough about your organization, but non-profits generally have the option of disregarding government revenue.

If you need any help, please feel free to reach out to your MP on that.

3:05 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited

Steve Cordes

Perfect. Thank you so much.

I know that our finance team is working through the right option for us to pursue.

On the rental one, we're exploring that. Some of the properties we own ourselves, so that's the challenge. When you own your own property, you're not eligible for that. We rent some of the space, so we're exploring it with one of our landlords.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Perfect, and hopefully you're benefiting from other programs such as the national housing strategy and the social innovation funding. Again, thank you for your great work.

Mr. Racicot, thank you once again for the work you are doing. I was very pleased to hear that, thanks to your excellent member of Parliament, Ms. Chabot, you have obtained more federal summer jobs. I also noted that you were able to take advantage of the emergency benefit.

I'd like to ask you, as I asked Mr. Cordes, if, during the pandemic, you observed in the young people you work with different mental health problems from those you had observed in the past.

3:05 p.m.

Coordinator, Maison des jeunes des Basses-Laurentides

Bernard Racicot

The problems are no different, but they are amplified. Everything is amplified, whether it is anxiety, loneliness, stress or uncertainty about summer jobs. I would say that the intensity level has doubled for young people. We must deal with this complex situation. The problems are pretty much the same, but they are amplified.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Is it the same for people who are homeless?

3:05 p.m.

Coordinator, Maison des jeunes des Basses-Laurentides

Bernard Racicot

We work with an organization called the Resto Pop, but given our age groups and location, we do more homelessness prevention.

We do not have many homeless people in our community, but we do have some. I worked with homeless people in downtown Montreal for 15 years, but in Sainte-Thérèse, it is very different. Homelessness has another face. We are working to prevent homelessness. Our approaches are mainly focused on prevention.

In terms of grants, our goal for September and the fall is prevention in the back-to-school season. Young people are wondering what back to school will be like. The issue is always on their minds, and we want to be there for them.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you very much, Mr. Racicot and Mr. Housefather.

I'd like to thank our two witnesses for their presentations, but especially for the work they do in their communities.

It is very important that all Canadians have organizations like yours in their communities to do this work.

With that, we're going to suspend for three minutes to get ready for our next panel of witnesses.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

We are now back in session. I would like to welcome Mr. Owen Charters, president and chief executive officer, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada; and Isaac Fraser-Dableh, member, national youth council, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada; as well as Nora Spinks, president and CEO of the Vanier Institute of the Family.

We're going to go with the Boys and Girls Club first for your opening statement, Mr. Charters. Go ahead.

3:10 p.m.

Owen Charters President and Chief Executive Officer, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be starting and then passing it over to Isaac, who will give a bit of his personal experience.

Mr. Chair, honourable members and committee staff, thank you so much for the opportunity to speak to you today and to contribute to this conversation about how we can support youth employment during this most challenging time in our country's history.

Community-based services, positive relationships and life-changing programs—as Canada's largest child- and youth-serving organization, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada provides vital programs and services to over 200,000 young people in 775 communities across Canada. During critical out-of-school hours, our clubs help young people develop into healthy, active and engaged adults. Our trained staff give children and youth the tools they need to realize positive outcomes in self-expression, academics, healthy living, physical activity and mental health.

Over the past 100 years, and during these last five difficult months, our clubs have been there for vulnerable children, youth and families. Today, clubs are actively providing food for families and partnering with their local food banks. We are providing child care and programs for children and youth of essential workers now and will for more families as our economy reopens. We are providing technology to support connectivity and running high-quality virtual programming to promote educational, physical and mental health outcomes when kids can't be in clubs. Also, we have continued to offer essential services such as transitional housing throughout these trying times.

Our clubs across the country support youth to obtain employment, and we are a direct employer of thousands of youth within our programs each year. Clubs implement programs that engage youth in developing employable skills and acquiring a job, such as resumé building and interview preparation.

Clubs also have direct links to employers that support vulnerable youth to get and keep that all-important first job, yet over the last five months we have witnessed young workers being disproportionately affected by the downturn in the Canadian economy due to COVID-19 closures and physical distancing. We've seen unprecedented layoffs in industries such as restaurants, hotels, child care services and retail, and in our own charitable sector. These industries are the sectors where young Canadians most often enter the workforce. We also know that across all sectors it is often the most junior employees who are laid off first.

Historically, the unemployment rate among young Canadians has been twice as high as that of all Canadians. National statistics also paper over deep inequities and barriers faced by youth in equity-seeking groups. Indigenous youth, newcomers, young people living in poverty, LGBTQ2+, young people with disabilities, racialized youth and youth in rural and remote communities face unique and elevated barriers to labour market participation. These are the youth our programs serve.

Given the unparalleled youth labour disruption, we need significant policy responses, and I want to take some time both to acknowledge the current response and to push us collectively to do more.

First, the Canada emergency student benefit has provided many of the youth we serve with much-needed financial support during a time when many are unable to find work due to COVID-19. It is important to note here that many youth receiving this benefit were previously contributing to their family's day-to-day expenses through employment. This program is supporting vulnerable families to stay afloat during this time.

In the early days of the pandemic, we and others called for a significant new investment in the youth employment and skills strategy; it is not built to tackle a youth employment crisis of this magnitude. In late April, we welcomed the new investment of $100 million-plus in the youth employment and skills strategy. We also want to recognize the $15 million for the supports for student learning program, which aims to ensure that vulnerable children and youth, many of whom our clubs serve, do not become further marginalized as a result of COVID-19.

Finally, the Canada summer jobs program changes announced on April 8 are important and are furthering the policy objective to support youth to enter and stay in the workforce. Temporarily allowing part-time positions and job placement end dates as late as February 2021 will support vulnerable youth—who often have other family obligations—in accessing this program and providing employers the flexibility they need in order to continue to move forward with the positions they previously applied for. We were surprised, however, that our clubs only saw a small number of additional grants when the Canada summer jobs program was expanded earlier this spring, and some positions didn't get grants.

On the whole, these are very positive developments, yet we know more is needed as businesses and non-profits scale back their employment plans given the economic conditions. In respect of this, we are making three recommendations for the Canada summer jobs program.

First, today we are repeating our call and the recommendation of the Canadian government's expert panel on youth employment to permanently evolve the Canada summer jobs program into a year-round Canada youth jobs programs. We know that the normal mode of Canada summer jobs doesn't reflect the reality of many youth and how they organize their time, work and education, and that many youth who are not in post-secondary studies would benefit from accessing these placements throughout the calendar year.

We also know first-hand that employers, especially small and medium-sized enterprises as well as non-profits and charities, would benefit from the flexibility to offer placements at different times during the year. Permanently modifying the Canada summer jobs program into a year-round youth jobs program will provide the flexible and holistic supports that are needed now for young Canadians to develop the skills and work experience they need as they enter and navigate a very challenging labour market.

Secondly, allowing for part-time jobs and instituting a trusted employer mechanism and corresponding multi-year funding as part of the Canada summer jobs or Canada youth jobs program will further enable employers to better plan for and meaningfully engage youth employees.

Thirdly, as the Canada summer jobs program transitions to the Canada youth jobs program, we recommend another round of CSJ-like grants to support employers in hiring young Canadians. This round should be launched in the late fall potentially, with employment to begin early in 2021. We've seen civil servants move mountains over the last five months, so we know this can be done.

These policy recommendations build off of the federal government's expert panel on youth employment's final report and are even more relevant now to support young Canadians during this unprecedented time.

I'd now like to take the opportunity for a member of our national youth council, Isaac, to speak about his personal experiences during COVID-19.

I'll turn to Isaac.

3:20 p.m.

Isaac Fraser-Dableh Member, National Youth Council, Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada

Thank you, Owen.

Good afternoon, committee members. Thank you for this opportunity.

My name is Isaac Fraser-Dableh. Today I want to share how COVID-19 has affected me, my employment and my community.

I am 16. I live in Fredericton, New Brunswick, and I am a member of the Boys and Girls Clubs of Canada's national youth council. Members of the youth council help at our local clubs and also work directly with the Boys and Girls Clubs' national team in setting priorities to support children and youth.

Prior to COVID, I was attending high school and working at a bakery, getting a couple of shifts a week. Once COVID hit, that came to a screeching stop. I was laid off. I couldn't save for college or even pay for my phone bill.

This didn't just happen to me. It happened to many of my friends. Some of them weren't as lucky as I was to return to work. They were either let go or the business has closed. Now they are trying to find new jobs to save for college or other things. However, in today's environment, it's very hard to find a job.

I want to take a moment to dispel what young people often hear: that we don't want to work and we want things handed to us.

I've been working since I was five by helping my great-grandfather sell Christmas trees at the local market. I continued to do this until I was 14, when I started to work at a gourmet grilled cheese food truck. For the past two years, I have worked at a bakery.

Starting to work at a young age taught me the concept of money and helped me to build a strong work ethic. Working at a young age will help others learn these important skills. I know that many people who are given whatever they want without earning it will never learn that life doesn't work like that and they won't get what they want all the time. The young people I know who have worked understand how hard it is to make a dollar. It also helps you learn how to save for college or even buy a new car. I personally think it's better to learn the importance of money and saving at a young age, because if you don't, you could possibly have financial problems when you're older.

We aren't lazy and we will change the world.

I want to close by urging you to be bold in supporting youth employment during this really difficult time. We have been out of school, isolated from our friends and laid off from our jobs. We can make real differences in our communities and across Canada with the policy recommendations we are proposing.

Thank you for your time.