Evidence of meeting #20 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was workers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kenneth MacKenzie  President, Associated Designers of Canada
Hassan Yussuff  President, Canadian Labour Congress
Chris Roberts  Director, Social and Economic Policy, Canadian Labour Congress
Denis Bolduc  General Secretary, Fédération des travailleurs et travailleuses du Québec
Carl Pursey  President, Prince Edward Island Federation of Labour
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Widmer

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Sorry, I'm in the Atlantic time zone. That's 6:25 eastern. You're right.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

I call the meeting back to order.

I recognize Mr. Blaikie, please

6:25 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Thank you very much. I just wanted to say that if we were just to pass this motion unamended, I do think that one of the ways it might prejudice some of the conversations at caucus tomorrow morning is simply that it means the discussion won't be about things we might recommend in terms of the change of approach or a modification to the legislation. It will really be about whether it's just a straight up or down yes or no.

I think we'd be able to have a better conversation and get more good ideas coming out of members' respective caucuses if that weren't the case, so that's why I'm hoping that we might pass the motion as it is, without item e).

Thank you.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Mr. Blaikie.

Ms. Dancho.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

On Mr. Blaikie's amendment, I do agree with him. I think that would make sense. I don't think you can amend a subamendment, but I would love to strike everything under a).

I'm just wondering if Mr. Kusmierczyk or Mr. Vaughan has heard from their House leader in the last three minutes, because I think there are discussions ongoing, and I'm wondering if they can chime in on that.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Mr. Kusmierczyk or Mr. Vaughan.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I don't have any information.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

No, and my audio may have interfered with my cellphone. It just disappeared on me when I was trying to do some other work, so I have no connection to the outside world, except to you folks.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you.

On the speakers list is Ms. Dancho.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I would ask Mr. Kusmierczyk to call his House leader.

Again, I'm working to collaborate here, folks.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Mr. Vaughan.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

At the risk of sounding as though the decisions we make here are all made through the centre, we have work here that we need to contemplate. I'm sure we can attempt to do that, but if we called the House leader, what would we ask him?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I guess on our end, Mr. Vaughan, we like to collaborate in committee. I know that may be a foreign concept to you, but we were busy collaborating for that five minutes and we're looking to get to a solution here that works for everyone, to reach the goal of getting supports for Canadians.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

I totally understand that. What I'm asking is what you want us to ask our House leader if we call him.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Again, I think the holdup is with the House leaders. Part of that discussion needs to happen with House leaders. I don't know why you guys aren't discussing this with your House leaders. It sounds very odd to me. They're in charge of what happens in the House.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

Have you been in touch with your House leader? What do you have to report to us? I'm trying to collaborate, too, but I need to know what the other half of the collaboration looks like. So what do we—

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

It sounds as though we might be at a consensus, where we don't need this motion, Mr. Vaughan.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

As I said, my only portal to the outside world is through this Zoom channel, so I didn't hear that and didn't understand that.

As you said, you want us to consult with our House leader. We're also up against a clock, so perhaps the best thing to do here is to just move to adjourn this debate, and then if we need to reconvene, we shall.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I think that sounds like a good idea.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Now we have a motion to adjourn debate.

Madam Clerk, I don't know that I've had to deal with one of these before. My understanding is that this is not debatable and that it goes straight to a vote. Can you give me some—

March 9th, 2021 / 6:30 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Danielle Widmer

You are correct, Mr. Chair.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Okay. The motion before the committee is to adjourn the debate. Would you like to take a standing vote on this or do we have consensus to adjourn debate? I see consensus to adjourn debate.

I guess if we're adjourning debate, we're adjourning the meeting. Am I right on that? It is 7:30 p.m.

Madam Clerk.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

I have a point of order.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Go ahead.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Adam Vaughan Liberal Spadina—Fort York, ON

If we adjourn the debate, what does that do to the schedule we just voted on?