Evidence of meeting #22 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was benefit.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Evan Siddall  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Lisa Williams  Chief Financial Officer, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Lori MacDonald  Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development and Chief Operating Officer for Service Canada, Department of Employment and Social Development
Graham Flack  Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development
Cliff C. Groen  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada, Department of Employment and Social Development

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

I think the purpose behind the commitment to make the tax system more straightforward was to address some of the barriers you talked about. As you can appreciate, CRA is not my lead, but I have heard from many people with disabilities and advocacy organizations about the barriers to tax filing and the consequences for them in terms of their eligibility for benefits and support. We have been working very closely with disability organizations to assist in getting taxes filed.

As we have the system we have, we've been trying to make it more accessible and inclusive, including the efforts that were made to bolster the access for the DTC related to the one-time payment. I was quite pleased with the uptake for that, because that opens the door right now for a number of projects.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Yes, Minister, but Campaign 2000 has indicated that it still has a lot of barriers.

Moving on, how many Canadians were shut out of the federal government's benefit delivery system during the pandemic because they didn't file a personal income tax? How many?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

I'm not sure I understand, because the benefits I was responsible for were not predicated on having filed your taxes. You could, through attestation, access those benefits.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Well, how many people who—

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

That's your time.

If you want to finish your answer, go ahead, Minister. We don't have time for another question.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

No, that's all I had to say. I'm sorry.

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

It's all good.

Thank you, Ms. Gazan.

Next we will go to Mrs. Falk, please, for five minutes.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you, Minister, for being here today.

I do want to mention and get on the record that if the Liberal government, your government, truly cared about the experiences of Canadians and the most vulnerable in this country, this government would have rejected the Senate amendment on Bill C-7 that expanded MAID to those who have or struggle with mental illness. I think history will teach us down the road that this government wasn't there for the most vulnerable.

Speaking in regard to the COVID-19 pandemic, we know that it has exacerbated the staffing crisis in our long-term care homes. It has also exposed to a greater degree the shortage of health care professionals specializing in care homes for seniors. With an aging population, the health care demand will only grow. Without immediate and short-term action, that gap will continue to grow.

Minister, your updated mandate letter prioritized direct investments in the social sector as well as training and incentives to grow sectors in the economy and to restore jobs. Can you clarify how your department's spending is addressing the health care staffing crisis in seniors supports, if at all?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

We absolutely have heard about the health care human resource challenge; I don't know a stronger word than “challenge”. One of the first things we did last fall was to invest in the training of personal support workers. I think 4,000 people across the country will be trained as personal support workers to help provide some of that bench support to the long-term care and health care sectors.

It's certainly not enough. Certainly, as we invest in training moving forward, that will be one of the priority sectors for our sectoral investments. The Minister of Health and her provincial colleagues are working on a path forward that of course I will be supporting through our training investments.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Do you have an update on that program in terms of what has happened thus far?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

Can you give us an update, Graham?

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development

Graham Flack

In terms of exactly how many have been trained, I think we're getting reports back, so I think we'd have to get back to the committee with the details on the latest.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Perfect. Will you get back to us with that information?

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

We'll make sure of that, yes.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you.

What metrics will be used to measure the success of this program in particular?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

Again, for accuracy, let me get back to you with those details.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Okay.

Are you guys also able to get back to us on the enrolment regionally across Canada and on whether there are differences regionally?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

For sure.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Perfect.

There's another thing I would like to mention, Minister. When you were in committee to speak to supplementary estimates (B), discussing your government's commitment to train the new workers, you mentioned at that time, in response to one of the committee members, that you were hoping to professionalize these personal support workers. I know from conversations with the Canadian Support Workers Association that this is a priority for them. There would be many, many benefits to the professionalization of these workers, including improving the standard of care that our seniors would receive.

Minister, is there any work under way to provide professional recognition to support workers in Canada?

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

My understanding is that the Minister of Seniors and the Minister of Health are indeed working with the sector to create standardized credentials acknowledgement. There's a massive amount of work under way. It's not top of mind for me, but again, Graham could tell you about it in more detail if that would interest you.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Yes, please.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development

Graham Flack

Again, Minister, we're going to have to get back on the details because Health is [Technical difficulty—Editor].

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

For sure, and thank you, Mr. Flack.

Minister, are you having any conversations at all with provincial counterparts regarding the professionalization of personal support workers?