Evidence of meeting #4 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vote.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Widmer

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

With respect, Mr. Chair, we've voted on the amendment already.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madam Clerk?

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

The committee can choose to rescind that decision of the vote on the amendment.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair, on the same issue.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Go ahead, Mr. Ruff.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Thanks, Chair.

My point is that we have to follow the process. Again, I'm not the expert on the complete Standing Orders, but if a subamendment is tabled, we can't vote on something that.... We have to deal with the subamendment first before we can deal with the amendment, and Madame Chabot clearly stated “here's the subamendment to the amendment”. We can't vote on the amendment till the subamendment debate has been dealt with.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madam Clerk, could you give an explanation on the procedural...?

The clerk called the vote on the amendment.

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

Yes. The chair did call for the amendment, and we did do a vote on the amendment. The committee can choose to rescind that decision and return back.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, was the subamendment presented prior to the vote?

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Not that—

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Yes. Yes, it was.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

If it was presented, what was it?

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madam Clerk, was the subamendment presented before the vote?

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

Madame Chabot had raised her hand and spoke to a document. She did raise her hand before the vote was called, and she did submit the subamendment, the document for a subamendment, after the vote; probably immediately afterwards I received the text—

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

It's therefore out of order, Mr. Chair.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madam Clerk?

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

I do have a document here that was submitted by Madame Chabot, with the amendment from Mr. Long.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

So procedurally, should we consider it a subamendment, Madam Clerk?

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

We can rescind the decision on the amendment and return back to the subamendment, should it be the will of the committee.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Go ahead, Mr. Coteau, on a point of order.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Rescinding it would be a new direction for the committee. The question was whether or not the subamendment came after Mr. Long's amendment. If Mr. Long's amendment was first and we voted on it, which we did, then I don't know how we go backwards—only to vote on rescinding the actual motion. But at this point right now, I would suggest that the subamendment is completely out of order.

Is that correct, Mr. Chair?

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madam Clerk, do you have a comment?

10:45 a.m.

The Clerk

The committee can choose to rescind the the vote on Mr. Long's amendment and return back to discuss that amendment, and the subamendment of Madame Chabot.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mr. Coteau.