Thanks, Mr. Chair.
I've made the point. It's been understood.
If we really wanted to play games here, I suppose there could have been scheming to ensure that no ministers would appear, but we're not saying that.
We're serious in this, and in fact, Mr. Chair, it would be interesting if you go back into the record. I'm not sure about HUMA, but at other committees during the years of Stephen Harper you would certainly find efforts along the same lines of what Mrs. Gray has put forward, which was Conservatives entirely blocking the path for Conservative ministers to appear.
We're not doing that. We do want ministers to appear here. We do want members around the table to be able to ask questions and therefore hold the government to account. That's precisely what the amendment would do.
I'll just end there. I think it's quite clear. Mr. Aitchison now understands where I'm coming from and we're all good. At least, I'm good.