Evidence of meeting #95 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was build.

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Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Ariane Calvert

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Mr. Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.)) Liberal Bobby Morrissey

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 95 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.

Pursuant to the motion adopted on November 27, 2023, the committee is beginning its study of the subject matter of supplementary estimates (B), 2023-24.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, meaning that people are participating in person in the room and virtually. You have the option of speaking in the official language of your choice. Interpretation services are available in the room using your headset. Those appearing virtually can click on the icon at the bottom of their screen and choose the language of their choice. If there is an interruption in interpretation, please get my attention and we will suspend while it is being corrected.

I also want to advise committee members to be conscious not to have their mic near their headset or their cellphone. As I found out at the last meeting, that can cause harm to the interpreters. Please keep your headsets and cellphones away from the mics.

I remind you to please direct your questions and comments through the chair.

Appearing this morning, in the first hour, is the Honourable Randy Boissonnault, Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and Official Languages. Welcome, Minister. It's always good to have you here.

We also have the Honourable Kamal Khera, Minister of Diversity, Inclusion and Persons with Disabilities.

As well, from the Department of Employment and Social Development, we have the deputy minister, the chief financial officer and senior assistant deputy minister, and the senior associate deputy minister.

I understand the ministers may choose to give opening comments.

We'll begin with Minister Boissonnault, for five minutes, please.

11 a.m.

Edmonton Centre Alberta

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault LiberalMinister of Employment

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, committee members. Let me acknowledge that we are gathered on the traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

Thank you for inviting me to discuss Supplementary Estimates (B) for Employment and Social Development Canada.

It's a real pleasure to be able to make my first appearance here at HUMA. I want to start by sincerely thanking all committee members for the work that you do every week. I'm also honoured to be here with my friend and colleague, Minister Khera.

I was reflecting on the very mandate of this committee, which is to help build a more inclusive, more equitable and better society. The studies that HUMA conducts, the issues of the day that you dive into, and the recommendations that you offer are of great value to Canadians and the ministers whose mandates you cover.

In this work, the Department of Employment and Social Development is taking important steps. You can see that work reflected in the funding requests that we made under the supplementary estimates. Of some $93.5 billion in authorized spending already, today we are talking about $409 million in supplementary estimates (B) spending.

As you know, under the bilateral Workforce Development Agreements (WDAs) with provinces and territories, the Government of Canada provides funding for the design and delivery of programs tailored to local labour market conditions.

In Budget 2023, we announced $200 million in new funding for the agreements, as part of an additional $625 million for labour market agreements in 2023‑24. This amount is for a one-year extension.

In previous years, approximately $3 billion was provided annually to employers and individuals through labour market agreements that we negotiate with the provinces. Of this total, the Government of Canada has invested $922 million annually through the workforce development agreements. This funding enables provinces and territories to provide skills training and employment programming, with a focus on labour market development and those wishing to upskill.

In short, we're getting workers across the country the resources they need to succeed. Of particular note, this particular funding can be used to support members of under-represented groups, such as indigenous peoples, youth, older workers, persons with disabilities and newcomers to Canada.

Another significant issue for me, Mr. Chair and colleagues, is the safety of all workers. One particular priority for my team and me is the safety of those who come to Canada under the temporary foreign worker program. To that end, in supplementary estimates (B), we're asking for $12.1 million of supplementary funding for the temporary foreign worker program compliance regime. This added funding will allow the department to improve the employer compliance regime under the program, including more inspectors and the maintenance of the worker protection tip line.

The workers operating under this program play a vital role in many sectors of our economy, particularly in agriculture, hospitality, construction, homebuilding, caregiving and the seafood industry. These workers sacrifice time away from their families and friends to support our food supply and security and our economy. They're entitled to our thanks and, even more, to the same respect, protection and rights of any worker. Any mistreatment or abuse of temporary foreign workers, or any worker, is always unacceptable and can never be tolerated.

We are also requesting $10.6 million for the Recognized Employer Pilot to address labour shortages and streamline processes for repeat employers who meet the highest standards for wages, working and living conditions and worker protection.

I’ll stop there, Mr. Chair.

I’m happy to answer any questions you may have, colleagues.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Boissonnault.

Ms. Khera, you have the floor for five minutes.

December 11th, 2023 / 11:05 a.m.

Brampton West Ontario

Liberal

Kamal Khera LiberalMinister of Diversity

Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members.

Thank you again for giving me this opportunity to be before this committee. It's always a pleasure to be here with my colleagues, and of course my good friend, Minister Boissonnault.

I'm also very pleased, as my colleague mentioned, to be joined here by our incredible officials—Paul Thompson, Karen Robertson, and Kristina Namiesniowski.

I want to take this opportunity, first and foremost, to update you on the important items that we have delivered for Canadians this year. Before we begin, I think it's important to give the chair and committee members some context on diversity, inclusion and disability in Canada.

The newly released 2022 Canadian survey on disability finds that 27% of Canadians over the age of 15 self-identify as having a disability. That's eight million Canadians, who are limited in their day-to-day activities.

At the same time, across the country we have also seen an alarming rise in hate and division. This fall, local police agencies have reported a significant rise in hate crimes in cities and communities right across the country.

It is clear that the work we're doing right now is more important than ever. My goal as a minister is to create a more accessible and inclusive Canada, one where everyone, regardless of their ability or identity, is included.

When it comes to creating a more accessible Canada, our government has made a lot of progress. I want to take a moment to thank this committee for the work they've done and for getting some of these extremely important pieces forward.

When we first created the Accessible Canada Act, this led us to Canada's first-ever disability inclusion action plan, which truly is a road map to building a more inclusive and barrier-free Canada. We recently convened the disability inclusion business council to champion and advance inclusion in Canadian workplaces.

In 2022-23, we provided over $47 million in funding to 75 businesses through the opportunities fund. This funding is helping give persons with disabilities the skills and the tools they need to succeed in the labour force, while also creating more accessible businesses. Moreover, in order to build more accessible communities, this past year we provided $82 million in funding to over a thousand organizations through our enabling accessibility fund.

Of course, in June, with the support of this committee and all members in this Parliament, our government made history when we passed legislation to create the Canada disability benefit and got that to royal assent. Now we're building the benefit in the true spirit of “nothing without us”. This fall, Mr. Chair, we have been doing extensive consultations with the disability community. In fact, right now, fully accessible public online consultation portals are open, so that all Canadians, but in particular Canadians with disabilities, are able to give their feedback. Once implemented, it will be yet another historic step in our government's work to reduce poverty, as it will increase the financial security of working-age persons with disability. I look froward to updating this committee, the House, and all Canadians as we continue to push forward on this extremely important initiative.

Mr. Chair, I want to briefly talk about the work we're doing when it comes to creating a more diverse and inclusive Canada. I firmly believe that, as a country, our greatest strength is our diversity. I always say that in Canada diversity is a fact, but inclusion is a choice. It is a choice that our government has been very deliberately making from the very beginning.

Since 2015, our government has been working with community partners to combat racism and hatred in all its forms. As you know, in 2018, the Government of Canada officially recognized the UN decade for people of African descent, and we have been taking this recognition very seriously. To that end, we have launched the Black entrepreneurship program, the Black-led philanthropic endowment fund, and of course the supporting Black Canadian communities initiative.

Moreover, Mr. Chair, we launched Canada's first-ever anti-racism strategy to combat all forms of racism in Canada. To continue to build on the work of the strategy, we appointed Canada's first-ever anti-racism secretariat. Additionally, we are hard at work at developing Canada's first-ever action plan on combatting hate.

Also, the work that we are doing by hosting the national summits has led us to appoint two special envoys on combatting Islamophobia and combatting anti-Semitism in this country. As you know, Mr. Chair, their work has never been more important than it is right now.

Our diversity is what truly sets us apart from the rest of the world. It is at the core of who we are as Canadians, and I look forward to continuing to work with this committee and all Canadians to continue to build a more accessible and inclusive Canada for everyone.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Minister.

Before we begin, I want to recognize that my member of the legislature is joining us today in the public gallery. He's the leader of the opposition for Prince Edward Island. He's in Ottawa participating. He's the person I go to to complain when I can't complain to myself.

11:10 a.m.

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11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Welcome, Mr. Perry.

We'll begin, for six minutes, with Mrs. Falk.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you very much, Chair.

Thank you, Ministers, for being here.

Minister Boissonnault, my questions will be directed towards you.

We know that the carbon tax is driving up the cost of food, home heating and fuel, and that far too many have to decide between heating and eating. Some Atlantic Canadians are getting some temporary relief on the cost of their home heating because their MPs advocated for them. Saskatchewanians and Albertans are left out in the cold.

Given that you are one of two Liberal representatives in Alberta and I've seen you at Saskatchewan events, I imagine that you are the de facto Saskatchewan representative. Are we to understand that you did not advocate for carbon tax relief for families in western Canada?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, I will call that question's relevance, but I'll still answer it, because I think it's important that we have an adult conversation about what our government did when it comes to home heating across the country.

What we did to suspend pricing on pollution as it relates to home heating for three years is to allow the most vulnerable in our society to actually go from home heating oil to heat pumps. That includes Albertans. It includes Saskatchewanians. It includes people in northern Ontario, northern Quebec—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Minister, I'm sorry. My time is really limited. I'm not hearing an answer there.

How much do Canadian families have to suffer before your Liberal government will relent with its carbon tax?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Well, I think the answer directly is that we built a pipeline, Mrs. Falk, and we built a pipeline that did nothing for my colleagues in downtown Toronto or Montreal or Burnaby. Why did we do that? It was so that families in Saskatchewan and Alberta—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Are you referring to the pipeline that your government purchased?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

—can actually benefit and so that construction jobs across this country can benefit.

It's one of the largest infrastructure projects we're building, and when it is finished, the coffers of Alberta and Canada will be better, and we will be exporting triple the amount of oil to the world. That's good for the energy sector, and it's good for western Canadians.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Okay, great. Thanks, Minister.

The recently announced emissions cap is the latest attack on Canadian energy workers and Canadian energy. It's effectively a cap on production—we know that—and, yet again, another case of federal overreach. As a Saskatchewan MP, I know how devastating your Liberal government's activist-driven agenda has been on economic growth, on the province and on the livelihood of energy workers.

Minister, as an Alberta MP, you have also seen first-hand this devastation. I know that. Do you support an emissions cap that will kill jobs for hard-working Canadians in the energy industry?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

What I support is making sure that the greenest barrel of oil is found in western Canada, and what we have in place is—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Do you support the emissions cap?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I support a cap on emissions, not a cap on production. What we have in place is an emissions cap, not a production cap.

Mrs. Falk, I could not go outside on the Monday of the long weekends in May or September this year because the air quality index was 11.5. I'm sure that your children and children across this country want to make sure that MPs right now are doing everything they can to make sure that we're fighting climate change. In the middle of COVID, in Edmonton Centre people were asking me to make sure that our government fought climate change.

We're doing so in such a way that in 2024 we're going to have an increase in the number of drilling rigs in Alberta. We are able to decouple growth—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Minister, you're admitting, then, that oil and gas is not going anywhere in the foreseeable future. Okay, so—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I have always said that the industry will continue to grow, and guess what—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

—you are telling Canadians that—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

We're going to have production increases in our emissions caps—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Tony Van Bynen Liberal Newmarket—Aurora, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I think the witness should be given an opportunity to answer questions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Van Bynen. The time is Mrs. Falk's.

Mrs. Falk.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Thank you, Chair.

We know that oil and gas is not going anywhere. You just admitted that.

You're telling Canadians that you'd rather send dollars to dictators than ensure that Canadians have good, stable, well-paying jobs. You're telling Canadians that you would rather see oil and gas produced in countries with fewer environmental regulations and fewer human rights regulations and standards when it comes to labour than here in Canada. Do you agree that this policy will only cause Canada to become more reliant on dirty dictator oil?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Let's agree that if you don't try to put words in my mouth, I won't put words in yours.

There is Dow Chemical, with $11 billion in the heartland; Air Products, with a $1.6-billion net-zero plant; Heidelberg Materials, with the first net-zero cement plant in the world. These investments come because our government is putting in investments to attract green industries and, guess what, we are the third country right now for foreign direct investment. If you do a per capita analysis, we beat the United States, we beat China and we beat Brazil. It's about good-paying jobs in the energy sector as we decouple emissions from growth.