—debt and borrowing are clearly part of the issue. The Governor of the Bank of Canada said so, as have Scotiabank economists. This government has definitely borrowed a great deal of money. Our national debt is now over a trillion dollars, and that's adding to the impact. Former Liberal finance minister John Manley even said the exact same thing.
I'm wondering if you'll acknowledge that. Rather, I guess I'm wondering if you're one of the cabinet ministers who sit in cabinet meetings with the PMO and say we have to rein in the spending and borrowing to help.