Evidence of meeting #15 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was board.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Tremblay  Chairperson, Canada Industrial Relations Board
Thompson  Deputy Minister, Department of Employment and Social Development

Caroline Desrochers Liberal Trois-Rivières, QC

That's perfect. Thank you.

I'd like to go back to the national school food program.

In my riding, in Trois-Rivières, there are more than 20 schools in underprivileged areas. I'm going to take a moment to correct what was said, namely, that the focus was on the fact that the program feeds only one in 10 children. Once again, I think that's a somewhat misleading way of presenting the information. In my region, we focus on schools in disadvantaged areas.

Could you expand on that and on the partners you work with through programs like breakfast program?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

We have a lot of really good partners, not just the provinces, but also organizations across the country, such as the Tablée de Chefs and the Breakfast Club. Those organizations were already there on the ground. They were already working with volunteers and schools to deliver meals where they were needed.

The federal government's investment will enable them to meet more needs and go even further, in more schools. In Quebec, for the moment, I think there are 2,200 schools that benefit from the national school food program—

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Desrochers and Ms. Gainey.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mr. Blanchette‑Joncas, you have the floor for six minutes.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Hello to the secretary of state. I thank her for being with us today. It's a pleasure to be here at this committee to be able to ask questions.

Ms. Gainey, your team wrote to me on November 7 to discuss my response regarding the budget. At that point, the budget had already been drafted, and all decisions had been made. It was tabled on November 4. Therefore, it was done without consulting any Quebec elected officials responsible for youth.

How can you talk about collaboration when you communicate with elected officials only after everything has been decided, rather than before, when Quebec's voice could have really mattered?

I would like you to answer my question clearly.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Thank you for the question.

Quebec's voice really matters right now in the government. There are over 44 members representing the beautiful province of Quebec, and I'm proud to be one of them. I met with your colleague Marilène Gill. I also had an appointment with Mrs. Vien, but she wasn't able to attend the meeting.

I'm sorry that we weren't able to talk to each other before, but I will be very happy to answer your questions today.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Secretary of State, given that the elected officials responsible for these files weren't consulted—they were consulted right after the fact—I would like to ask you frankly whether young people, youth organizations and their representatives were really consulted before your government made all the decisions about this budget.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I beg your pardon. Can you please repeat the last part of your question? I didn't quite hear that.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

As an elected official, I wasn't consulted. I was only consulted after the budget was tabled.

Did you really consult young people and organizations that represent youth in Quebec?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I've had a lot of meetings with the….

I don't know the right expression in French. I'm looking through my notes.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I'll move on to my next question, Ms. Gainey.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

—stakeholders.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

This is my last question.

How many youth organizations were consulted before the budget was tabled?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I met with a lot of organizations, which represent others. One that comes to mind is the Réseau des Carrefours jeunesse-emploi du Québec, led by Rudy Humbert. He manages a lot of organizations in the province.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Secretary of State, I'll let you get your answer from your binder, because it seems a bit confusing.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I was looking for the word “stakeholders”, but I found it. Over the past six months, I have had many meetings with organizations and young people in Quebec.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay.

So you're unable to tell me today how many youth organizations in Quebec were consulted as part of the last federal budget.

Is that correct?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I can't tell you right now. However, I would be very happy to provide you with the answer later, after this meeting.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I would appreciate that.

I'm going to continue on the same topic, youth.

Madam Secretary of State, the federal government has committed to funding 50% of the health care system. Today, it covers barely 22%. Your budget slows transfers down to 3%, while costs, especially in mental health and youth services, increase by 5% to 6%.

Those are the system costs. How can you say you support young people when you are weakening the essential services that protect them?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Thank you for the question.

I'm here to talk about my mandate, which is not related to health. You should ask the Minister of Health that question.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

As I understand it, it's very difficult for you to answer my question.

The youth unemployment rate recently climbed to 14.7%. This is the worst rate in 14 years outside of the pandemic. However, your budget doesn't provide for any immediate measures. According to all your announcements, the implementation of any measures won't start until 2027.

Is that what building a strong Canada means to you? Is there nothing, then, for young people who are looking for jobs right now?

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

As I just explained, many investments are continuing, and they will continue in the coming years. I'm thinking in particular of the Canada summer jobs program and the co-op programs.

I would also like to note that the poverty rate has declined since 2015, and it did so until 2023.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Madam Secretary of State, with all due respect, I'm talking to you about unemployment, and you're talking to me about poverty.

We're not comparing apples and oranges, after all.

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Apples and oranges?