Mr. Chair, I would like to take the time to do things properly, in keeping with the rules laid out for this committee. Since I'll be tabling a motion without providing advance notice, I know quite well that I can't ask for a debate right away. We must first have the unanimous consent of the committee members. I'm well aware of this. I'll ask for the unanimous consent of the committee members so that we can debate it later. The committee must then make a decision on the matter. That's how things should be.

The text of the motion is as follows:

Considering that the minister informed the House that 85,000 people have been affected by processing errors caused by the Curàm software; That the committee request that the Department of Employment and Families provide the number of cases, broken down by region, no later than the day the minister appears before the committee.

This is simply to follow up on the motion adopted by the committee to arrange two study periods with two ministers concerning the Cúram issue.

To do things properly, we're distributing the text of the motion in both official languages, so that my colleagues can take a look at it.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Madame Larouche.

Just for the witnesses, this is routine for the committee to do.

Madame Larouche has introduced a motion, but it did not have the 48-hour notice and it was not directly related to the discussion currently before the committee. In order to debate it, it would require unanimous consent.

Madame Larouche, is that what you're asking?

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order.

If I understood this rightly, she was requesting that the motion be adopted on unanimous consent, not that it be debated on unanimous consent.

I think it's—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

She used “debate” in her terminology.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

It's a fairly routine request for information, from my view.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Yes, is it simply to be adopted or debated?

She used the term “debated”.

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Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

The rules state that, if we give 48 hours' notice of a motion, we've complied with the rules and we can debate the motion. When we table a motion without giving notice, we can't ask for a debate right away, as was done for a motion at the last meeting.

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Liberal

Caroline Desrochers Liberal Trois-Rivières, QC

If the motion concerns an issue that the committee is currently discussing, we can ask for a response.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Order.

Madame Larouche, continue.

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Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

I'm simply asking for the committee's unanimous consent to debate my motion. Without unanimous consent, the motion will be tabled, but there won't be any debate. That's all.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Just so we're clear, we'll go to Madame Desrochers.

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Liberal

Caroline Desrochers Liberal Trois-Rivières, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I just want to clear up my colleague's comments. At the last meeting, we tabled a motion on the school food program, a topic that we were discussing. According to the rules, we can debate a topic if the committee is talking about it. That's why the motion was tabled. The motion could have been debated if my colleagues had wanted to, but they refused. That's okay. We'll come back to it.

I just wanted to make a clarification, because we were talking about the procedure.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Okay, committee members, I just want to be clear on this from Madame Larouche.

Madame Larouche, are you simply asking permission to have the motion tabled? Is that what I'm getting?

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Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

That's right.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

This is relatively simple. It's tabling.

We'll suspend for—

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Liberal

Caroline Desrochers Liberal Trois-Rivières, QC

No, just—

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, can we just defer this until the end of the meeting?

If there needs to be discussion or the Liberals want to review the motion, can we, just out of respect for the witnesses—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Madame Larouche, are you okay with deferring this to the end of the meeting, to discuss it then for five minutes?

9:55 a.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

For the time being, yes. In any case, regardless of what happened at previous meetings, I know that today I simply needed unanimous consent to debate my motion.

You can postpone this until the end of the committee meeting.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Madame Larouche.

You were in order in bringing it forward in your timeline, and the procedure was right. You needed a request, because it was not currently being debated at the committee.

You agreed to table it until the end. I will give a commitment. We will have enough time to return to this.

With that, Madame Larouche, you still have almost two minutes left in your six minutes.

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Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I stopped my timer. Thank you for giving me the chance to finish my turn to speak. I don't have much time left.

Ms. Azad, what specific challenges arise in terms of access to care in the regions, such as access to the type of care that you provide? Can you summarize the main challenges?

9:55 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Chiropractic Association

Ayla Azad

There are a few challenges.

One is access. In order to access our care, many patients have to pay. It's private, so cost certainly is a barrier. That's why we're advocating that chiropractors be included in the non-insured health benefits program so that indigenous communities can access our care.

In rural communities, sometimes there are just not enough chiropractors available to see patients. Patients are having to travel great distances to receive very important timely care. I would say that those are the largest barriers.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

You have 40 seconds, Ms. Larouche.

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Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Okay. My goodness, you're so kind, Mr. Chair.

Ms. Azad, as you said, schools are in short supply in the regions. There are only two, including the Université du Québec à Trois‑Rivières. Some people go abroad to study. There are specific challenges in the regions. As we know, some people are also leaving the regions.

How can we find solutions to encourage the next generation? Do you have any suggestions regarding the next generation in particular?

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Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Chiropractic Association

Ayla Azad

I'm sorry. The audio cut out. Can you repeat the last bit?